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Belzebutt 12/4/2012 | 11:05:16 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge? I see other people had problems posting in this thread as well. I thought Procket's Terabit router became sentient and started sending pings of death to LR in retaliation for this story. They thought the ASICs were broken, but they were just evil!
drone387 12/4/2012 | 11:05:16 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge? http://www0.mercurycenter.com/...
samia 12/4/2012 | 11:05:15 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge? Looks like they are in trouble as well. I heard some rumor that they might be shutting down the business soon like the others :)

flanker 12/4/2012 | 11:05:14 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge? whereas I don't need to tell you the value estimation of procket. and Ill tell you a secret - those who left got ALOT OF MONEY !!!
and those who stay HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

If a Procket falls in a forest, does it make a sound?
venturewhore 12/4/2012 | 11:05:13 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge? I'm surprised noone has brought up one of the primary reasons that Procket will fail.

Simply, they failed to get any RBOCs to invest in them.

They had people from Qwest, MFN, UUNET, and other companise invest, but noone from the RBOCs.

Given the failure of the 2nd tier ISPs, and their eventual replacement by RBOCs and PTTs, I think this is the main reason Procket will fail.

Something like 20 ISP Engineers and Executives invested in Procket's last round, contributing something like 5% of the capital that the company raised.
ustaad 12/4/2012 | 11:05:13 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge? Just how absurd can we get here ? Apart from your standard route discovery and lookup (BGP, OSPF etc) that edge boxes have been doing for years, you need to handle all of the following and more in hardware (read ASICs)

-> Edge MPLS stuff
-> Private route tables (VPN) and lots of them
-> Multicast
-> Diffserv
-> NAT
-> More tunnels (types, numbers and combinations) than you would care for

What happens if those apparently simpler Edge ASICs don't work ? Does a company move along to building an Enterprise/access box ?

And what about software ? An edge box isn't merely a slower core box, as the article seems to suggest. Have we hired OSPF chaps ?

And the Edge market is a piece of work by itself. Apart from Cisco and Juniper, you have the mid 90s startups that are gaining traction (Yago->Cabletron->Riverstone, Redstone->Siemens->Unisphere) plus other startups that seemed to be getting somewhere before losing steam (Gotham, Celox .. the list is endless). Sure, there could be some space for another player, but at some point you're going to have a fairly large set of moderately stable solutions. And what happens then ? Margins get to be more reasonable and how do we justify $200m funding rounds then ?

No one on this board seems to have drawn the analogy yet, but does this remind anyone of Caspian Networks ? You can't deny them their hubris, but if I were to ask a bunch of VCs for $200m, I wouldn't say we're building a better edge router. I'd say we're building the box to replace all boxes (ala Caspian).

Actually, with all that money, they could slow things down and be like Pluris, the edge box vendor that just doesn't go away.
skeptic 12/4/2012 | 11:05:12 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge?
What you gain by going to the edge is that
you can buy lots of the necessary pieces off
the shelf. Also, the central switch in the
box at edge-type capacities requires a whole
lot less R&D. You can buy most of the ASICs
rather than scratch-build them. But then again,
so can everyone else.

However, the scary thing about edge products
vs. core products is that you have to do "more"
of everything. You have to do every physical
media and routing protocol that anyone can think
of. In total, it adds up to a whole lot more
software work than a core router and a whole
lot more hardware/hardware-integration projects
going on.

And its not like it was a couple years ago.
Riverstone and others are getting well-entrenched
in that space and while their products are not
perfect, they are going to fight like crazy to
protect their piece of the market.

Procket is in a tough spot though. Their product
isn't big enough to fight in the war for the
next-generation core router. And going
head-to-head with juniper at the midrange core
would be very tough. Unfortunately, if they
go toward edge routers, they are coming into
the game very late.

rriicc 12/4/2012 | 11:05:11 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge? They might end up in trouble if Tony is pulling the ship into MPLS everywhere deadend, especially the MPLS/BGP VPN hack (yeah, great to have 3000 routing tables in an edge box and "emulate ATM" on IP in multiprovider net (Internet)!)
pablo 12/4/2012 | 11:05:11 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge?
It's never easy to build ASICs. And word was that Procket was doing full custom stuff, which of course makes it quite likely that there'll be early problems. I would not write them off. Probably they're winning time (and revenue) by leveraging their SW in a market niche that allows them to get to market faster with some off-the-shelf stuff, while they also debug their custom stuff more leisurely. Why bet the farm on 40G now when you have other options? And when and if the core market turns around in time, they'll be as well positioned as a start-up can be.

Does look like a smart move to me.

It's a very hostile environment for *every* start up out there right now. Those who claim they've got it made either suffer a severe case of tunnel vision, or they are in denial. Good start-ups these days are those that leverage what they already have as opportunistically as possible, re-align themselves strategically, and all the while do not entirely give up on the original plan.
diag_eng 12/4/2012 | 11:05:10 PM
re: Is Procket Heading Toward the Edge? Another Edge Routa? You've got to be kidding. Unisphere, Riverstone, Cisco, Juniper, Redback, et. al.

Procket missed the boat. Companies aren't buying startups for superstar talent anymore. Chambers himself said Cisco will be acquiring companies with REVENUE.

It'll take another $20M-$30M+ for Procket to get an edge router to market and probably a bridge loan to get to an IPO. Talk about dilution ...

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