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BobbyMax 12/4/2012 | 9:48:42 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links ILECs simply cannot afford to lay fiber everywhere. Considering the sparse population of the United and very large metropolitan areas is simply not feasible.
joestudz 12/4/2012 | 9:48:41 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links and that is why people invented Free Space Optics (FSO) for either point-to-point or mesh network applications.
dietaryfiber 12/4/2012 | 9:48:41 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links It actually doesn't make sense for them to lay fiber everywhere, except as a generic rehab of the copper plant.

Studies show things like less than 10% of businesses generate 80%+ of revenue traffic in a metro area. Why would a flower shop need a fiber connection?

dietary fiber
joestudz 12/4/2012 | 9:48:40 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links Since they are not all in one place the only way to reach the 10% who generate 80% + of revenue is to lay fiber almost everywhere. To me it sounds like a mesh FSO system would be a better way to extend "virtually fiber" from the location of the portion of the 10% who can be easily reached with fiber to the rest of the 10%.
rjmcmahon 12/4/2012 | 9:48:37 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links Why would a flower shop need a fiber connection?
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My local flower shop has classes on how to make arrangements. They had 50 people in class one saturday morning and a video production guy making tape for others to use.

Why should a flower shop owner not be allowed to unicast their videos into our homes and why should a broadcaster interests trump that of a gardner?

Let people choose for themselves if they want have an unlimited bw connection. Choosing for them is wrong.
rjmcmahon 12/4/2012 | 9:48:37 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links ILECs simply cannot afford to lay fiber everywhere. Considering the sparse population of the United and very large metropolitan areas is simply not feasible.
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Well this time you have about 10% right. "The ILECS can't" is true. The rest is false.

First we couldn't afford to free slave labor from picking cotton, but somehow we figured it out. Then we couldn't afford to deliver the mail to farmers, but Teddy Roosevelt said we could, and somehow we figured it out. Next we couldn't afford to build roads, but then somehow we figured that out. Also, we couldn't afford universal suffrage, then somehow we figured that out (well sorta).

I suggest what we can't afford is this self defeatist mindset. Everything else we can figure out.
big daddy 12/4/2012 | 9:48:36 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links Bobby Max, you talk a lot of smack, but never give any data to back it up. When you make bold statements such as this, back it up or shut up.
dietaryfiber 12/4/2012 | 9:48:28 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links
rj,

Then let them buy a T-1 or a T-3 line. Available today. Oops, they can't charge for their classes because they are available other ways for less cost.

You best get real, because what you want is never going to happen. There are already 1100 ILECs or did you not know that? They are called the IOCs (Independent Operating Companies) and are funded primarily through the Universal Service Tax on everybody's phone bill. The structure you ask for ALREADY EXISTS and does not do what you want because it makes no sense.

dietary fiber
Ringed? 12/4/2012 | 9:48:27 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links Lots of creative thinking already on this thread.

The U.S. Government has led our economy out of despair many times, always with infrastructure projects that help put people and companies to work.

While not a fan of big government I too would like to see Uncle Sam put money toward a last mile fiber infrastructure project. To say it isn't needed is absurd.

The ILEC's won't/can't and probably shouldn't shoulder the expense. The IOC community is laying a lot of fiber, both IOF and FTTH. Regardless of how you feel about certain technologies the IOC communities are betting on Video services wheather it is IP based or A-PON. Right or wrong this is going on now.

The IOC's benefit heavily from the Federal Government through REA/RUS funds, whereby they get very low intrest loans. I see no problem with this. No other ILEC or CLEC would dare try to go into these smallest markets and try to compete. Sure in bigger IOC markets this happens but no in the smallest IOC markets.

I would not have expected the response to "have the flower shop get a T1 or T3" from the poster. That tells me someone didn't think through the situation.

The ILEC's are killing themselves managing DS-1's as it is. And for a T3 you have to drop and OC-3 to the building and drop out a DS-3. Very equipment intensive at the CPE end and the C.O.

Granted that fiber over the last mile would not be easy or cheap. Just the notion of it brings up memories of companies like Fiber Works in Atlanta. These folks installed cable in the ground and paid for easment rights as they trenched so they would have fiber laterals in the ground to the biggest buildings in Tier 2/3 cities. The problem. How are you going to splice the lateral in to the ring you don't own? Moreover, who is going to let you splice the lateral into that ring.

But the future is bright as the ILEC's and CLEC's left standing (there are a few left) who look to GbE services that will need fiber to the building. ILEC's see the technical advantages over growing existing TDM frastructure.

The question is will our government help shoulder the cost to make this affordable to a carrier and eventually to the end user?

There will be a turning point in this Telcom Storm. That turning point will not be traditional TDM infrastuctures but a combo of Sonet and Ethernet services and of course the DWDM projects as required.

Look at Cable TV for an example. When cable came to my area in 1976 lots thought it stupid to pay $25 -$40 a month plus installation for TV when they could get it for free over the air. How many folks do you know now that don't have cable in a metro area?
beowulf888 12/4/2012 | 9:48:27 PM
re: ILECs' Missing Links Dietaryfiber is correct. The cost of last-mile fiber to a business is beyond the economic capability of all except the upper percentile of corporations. And maybe I misunderstood his posting, but Dietaryfiber seems happy to accept the status quo.

But what if the government were to subsidize last-mile fiber? (And I'm not talking about expanding the UST -- which to my mind is just welfare for Telcos). Under a regimen of subsidies, costs would come down. And maybe then it would be economically feasible that that florist would be able to multicast its flower arranging class.

Government subsidy of infrastructure expansion has historically been a way to prime the pump for new economic activity. Unfortunately, I doubt if the chumps running the FCC are brave enough to rock boat of their big-business cronies. And ditto for elephantly dominated Congress and Executive branch.

cheers,
--Beo

dietaryfiber wrote:
"Then let them buy a T-1 or a T-3 line. Available today. Oops, they can't charge for their classes because they are available other ways for less cost.

"You best get real, because what you want is never going to happen. There are already 1100 ILECs or did you not know that? They are called the IOCs (Independent Operating Companies) and are funded primarily through the Universal Service Tax on everybody's phone bill. The structure you ask for ALREADY EXISTS and does not do what you want because it makes no sense."
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