I would say that most chinese are too sensitive when you say any bad thing about china, or question any small details about a chinese company, they respond very aggressively. On the other hand there is a paranoia around Huawei in the USA.
One feed the other.
The only thing that really bothers me in the whole debacle about Huawei, is regarding being copycats. Huawei really has an imense R&D facility, and really develops new and innovative products. The whole Cisco x Huawei problem that happened years ago really damaged their image until today in the industry...
Speaking of optical networking (which was the primary topic in this site in the old days), I really do not see Huawei copying anybody, and more than that, always delivering really good technology.
Other than that, I do agree that normally it is difficult to believe finance reports from private companies. There were so many cases of frauds in the past that it is normal to be skeptical. Actually even in public companies there were huge frauds over the years.
What I found interesting was the topic of the thread, namely "Huawei Espionage". The other interesting take was you having to resort to calling another "a fool", simply because of differing opinions. You know me well. When you resort to insults, I will resort to WUMming :)
That's the gist of what's happening here. The minute I say something positive about Huawei, I get labelled a "Huawei troll" and whatnot. Given that I'm actually a big fan of ALU and have said many positive things about them (notably re. Lightradio), I must ask why I am never called an "ALU troll", etc.
So another words you hate Phil Harvey the editor of Light Reading who posted the topic.
If you look at the posts up to yours, no mention of any vendor outside of the title was made. Neither Soup nor I did. What we answered was a question about router vendors.
I will be blunt with you however. I see that you are pushing a position. For example, you complain about trade issues and yet I see no posting about floating the RMB. Which, of course, is the single largest issue in the current trade imbalance. So, if you want open trade start at the beginning.
If you believe comm systems are not used for spying, then you best explain all the examples I gave going back all the way to WWII. If you can not, then you are being a fool.
LOL! "In other words....."? How did you ever come up with this? Arrive at this conclusion? ROFL! Amazing!!! A reasonable person would remark, "Phil could have worded it better." Unless he was being a WUM :)
If you were to re-read the posts of that thread, I only asked a question, "Is Huawei the only vendor capable of this?". Then, all hell broke loose. I was deemed "a fool". I was "not getting it". Etc.
Of course I "wasn't getting it". I don't agree with you. It's very simple. A number on here just cannot accept a differing point of view. It's that, "if you're not with me, then you're against me" mentality. To quote from The Godfather, "Our ships must sail in the same direction". :)
With regards to pushing a position... Absolutely! Trade wars and protectionist measures affect me! Hence I posted this:
LOL! No, I am not an "Ericsson troll". But do have a read. Trade makes everyone better off. This is a fundamental economic theory.
P.S. You know what? I don't really want to go there, but if you want to... The US begged China to maintain the peg and not float, during the height of the Asian currency crisis back in 97/98 (I was in the midst of this, please don't try to argue, I know this case intimately). Now, it wants China to freely float it. Why? It's in their interest! So, would one not say... China might be doing things in her interest? (no, I am no "China troll" lol!)
Brookseven, yeah you are right.
I would say that most chinese are too sensitive when you say any bad thing about china, or question any small details about a chinese company, they respond very aggressively. On the other hand there is a paranoia around Huawei in the USA.
One feed the other.
The only thing that really bothers me in the whole debacle about Huawei, is regarding being copycats. Huawei really has an imense R&D facility, and really develops new and innovative products. The whole Cisco x Huawei problem that happened years ago really damaged their image until today in the industry...
Speaking of optical networking (which was the primary topic in this site in the old days), I really do not see Huawei copying anybody, and more than that, always delivering really good technology.
Other than that, I do agree that normally it is difficult to believe finance reports from private companies. There were so many cases of frauds in the past that it is normal to be skeptical. Actually even in public companies there were huge frauds over the years.