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ivehadit 12/4/2012 | 9:38:26 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom scott,
my sentiments exactly (ie take the loop plant away from the rbocs), but it would take a political tsunami to make it happen the way you say it.

a better alternative may be to mandate divestiture, not in the hands of a government agency, but to a publicly traded company, which could provide equal access to all.
porn starr 12/4/2012 | 9:38:20 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom Last year, Century and Alltel paid about $3k a piece for Verizon's lines in Kentucky, Missouri, and Alabama. At this rate, it would cost about $550 billion to buy all U.S. access lines from the RBOCs. Not sure that there is a govt agency or private company that has this kind of cash. Forcing the RBOCs to hand them over would violate just about every private property law on the books.

The Really Boring Old Carriers will own the twisted pair access to our homes for a long time. We might not like it, but we need to get over it.
dietaryfiber 12/4/2012 | 9:38:19 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom
Take the lines away and do what Scott? Put in new fancy local loop technology? What new fancy local loop technology - FTTH? To do what? Run video? Imagine being a cable company in that scenario, better plan on buy them as well.

The reason the RBOCs complain about the CLECs is that the rules are still in place for them. SBC (under Project Pronto) must place unbundling equipment in place even if there is nobody to unbundle to. If you have never been to a PUC discussion of Pronto, you should see Sprint, Worldcomm and AT&T lawyers make the mouth of the local CLEC lawyer move.

The whole thing is a giant game being played over who can do what. Giant Companies (IXCs, Wireless, Cable, and the RBOCs) are all looking to get regulatory advantage.

I highly recommend Scott that you actually learn something about the local loop and how it works before you insist on a model of how it should change.

dietary fiber
Consultant 12/4/2012 | 9:38:13 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom Porn Starr,

Your position is dead wrong. It is quite within Constitutional bounds to mandate separation of access and switching. Indeed, something similar was done in the power utilities in several states. Legal issues are not the key problems.

But Raynovich, did get one thing wrong - most CLECs are not dead. If Raynovich had reviewed the most recent issue of the FCC's local competition report, he would have been shocked to see CLEC share still rising even in era of scarce capital.

Consultant 12/4/2012 | 9:38:12 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom Dietary Fiber,

The RBOCs have raped their customers for decades with pricing on local loops that is mostly profit and distinguished by patheticly slow provisioning and arrogant customer service.

CLECs using fiber or unbundled network elements have injected pricing discipline into the market and brought rates down dramatically.

I can sell you an OC3 clear channel circuit between NY and London for $5500 a month and the local loop to go two miles is another $2500.

Makes a lot of sense.

dietaryfiber 12/4/2012 | 9:38:10 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom

He isn't talking about undoing the end fiber market, which has been competitive for years.

Also, big difference between a shared medium irrespective of the distance (remember that OC3 is shared on a Terrabit+ fiber cable) versus a dedicated set of equipment.

Finally recall all the long distance guys are losing money at this.

dietary fiber
Scott Raynovich 12/4/2012 | 9:38:09 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom I'm aware that some CLECs are thriving, but indeed I need to learn more. It would make for some good news/analysis. Off the top of your head, could you name somne of the CLECs you think are in the strongest position?
willywilson 12/4/2012 | 9:38:08 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom Thankfully, I don't know everything about the local loop


Anything, my friend, anything.
willywilson 12/4/2012 | 9:38:08 PM
re: Hawkish on Telecom Loved the suggestion that the government should buy the local loops. A vyer, very smart telecom engineer made this prediction to me about five years ago. He said the RBOCs would fall apart and wind up turning their plant over to the government.

Doesn't it always happen with the failures? Once "private enterprise" has used them up and spit them out, the assets get socialized. What's Uncle Sucker there for, anyway? And why do we have politicians and propaganda if not to call it progress?
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