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stephencooke
stephencooke
12/5/2012 | 3:05:39 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL
I remember many months ago when we were all discussing the economics of Fios and their take rate, etc. What no one keyed in on was that many of their 'new' Fios customers were actually their existing DSL customers. This makes a huge difference in their revenue model for Fios because you basically wipe out any 'new' voice and data revenue from those customers. The last I saw their video take rate was around 8.6%. Paying for Fios now goes into the decades.

Verizon is still touting 'new' DSL customers though. I would guess that these are due to re-deployment of the cannibalized equipment in areas whose economics weren't favorable before Fios. Overall an interesting project but I wouldn't say it is an approach for everyone.

Steve.
OldPOTS
OldPOTS
12/5/2012 | 3:05:38 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL
See the VZ responses to their customers who got their '30 day guarantee' destroyed.

http://www.dallasnews.com/shar...

"While Kelm has no quarrel with FiOS itself G he pays $145 a month for TV, Internet and phone G he would like to have been told before he signed up that Verizon would cut the copper. He was counting on Verizon's clearly advertised 30-day money back guarantee in case he didn't like the service and wanted to switch back."
GǣI blew a gasket,Gǥ Kelm said. GǣThe 30-day money back guarantee was worthless in my opinion.Gǥ
He's also concerned that Verizon initially priced its current FiOS service lower only to jack rates up once the subscriber is reeled in."
GǣThen, you're stuck,Gǥ Kelm said.

OP

BTW -They show a picture of a tech removing the ariel copper from the post to the CO.
materialgirl
materialgirl
12/5/2012 | 3:05:38 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL
The world is changing. Copper is old and fiber is new. People use cell phones now as a wireline alternative, but may move to broadband WiMax from the likes of Clearwire. Perhaps is it just time to say goodbye to expensive, 100-year-old Copper technology and move to WiMax like the rest of the planet.
fgoldstein
fgoldstein
12/5/2012 | 3:05:38 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL
bean,

Horses are still permitted on public roads. Not freeways, of course, but on city streets (the "last mile" of transportation networks).

VZ's policy is more like giving them ownership of the streets, and then allowing them to ban anything but their own motor taxicabs from riding on them. Private cars? Horses? Trucks? Get in line at the taxi stand!

In the 1880s, railroad regulation resulted from their decision to shift from being "carriers" to "shippers" -- they took advantage of their monopoly to buy farmers' goods at a low price and resell them in cities at a high price. The railroads were then regulated as common carriers, open to all shippers. Verizon used to be a common carrier.

FiOS is (legally, at present) a shipper, not a carrier, and they're just waiting a couple of years (for various legal and technical reasons) until they start vigorously asserting their rights to YOUR information. They already, under the FiOS contract, own the content of your email, so if you're communicating with a lawyer, there is no privilege. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
t.bogataj
t.bogataj
12/5/2012 | 3:05:37 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL
What planet???
DCITDave
DCITDave
12/5/2012 | 3:05:37 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL
At least one analyst put a shine on your thought of wireless as a copper replacement: http://www.lightreading.com/tv...
DCITDave
DCITDave
12/5/2012 | 3:05:37 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL
But don't all companies that offer guarantees do so on the assumption that you're never going to call them out on it?

I mean, if they actually had to honor the guarantee -- even 1 out of 1,000 times -- that'd be horrible for business.

ph
paolo.franzoi
paolo.franzoi
12/5/2012 | 3:05:36 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL

dwdm is simply the equivalent of FDM in the frequency domain. Each connection carried over a DWDM stream (or an FDM) is a modem.

Sorry to break it to you but it is just another way of saying, I am dividing up spectrum.

seven
paolo.franzoi
paolo.franzoi
12/5/2012 | 3:05:36 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL

Depends on what is meant by broadband.

If one means today's style access of several megabits per second of highly oversubscribed bandwidth for web surfing, e-mail, etc, the wireless will do fine.

If one means a one way broadcast mechanism to run video and data distribution, then wireless does fine.

If one means a way to run multiple channels of individual HD-TV streams to a residence, wireless is dead.

Remember in the end, these are all just modems. Modem data rates are based upon SNR and Fiber Optics is the lowest SNR medium, followed by copper, then air. Remember the air is a shared media so that the air bandwidth is divided by the number of active users.

seven
tomaz1
tomaz1
12/5/2012 | 3:05:36 PM
re: Got FiOS? Say Goodbye to DSL
I think it is nothing as expensive as building new things (capex), neglecting existing ones and not taking in account real numbers for opex.
Besides ... I don't believe Air BB will be broad enough to serve as many users as Ground BB can. Don't even think about the whole planet ... Well at least for some time. :-)
T.
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