Force10: Where's the Exit?

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paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 3:15:40 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit?
So, the people who wander in and eat up the company cash and whine should get the money?

I said the founders should get the money.

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startup_shutup 12/5/2012 | 3:15:40 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? >> New startups are then told to get a few 'elite'
chaps in the valley. Sort of the lace in the
window. The work of producing the product
happens where labor is cheap and education
is of the highest value.

In this context let me say this:

Somebody previously claimed that founders invented the company -- so they should get lion's share of the company. The above statement of fact shows how wrong is that logic....

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whodunnit 12/5/2012 | 3:15:39 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? Having R&D centres outside US or hiring people from outside US doen't mean that a Company lose out its Intellectual Property. In several cases, it has helped Companies to create more intellectual property.
For example, much of Intel's new design activities happen out of Bangalore. Having an R&D Centre in India has helped Intel in coming up with many new ideas and inventions, which obviously helps it to stay as a leader in its domain.
It is Free Market,dude .Companies have the right to do whatever they can to innovate at reduced costs. These Companies operate in the Global market, not just in US. So it makes sense for them to tap the global talent pool rather than just sticking with the high-wage US engineers.

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sigint 12/5/2012 | 3:15:38 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? whodunit:
For example, much of Intel's new design activities happen out of Bangalore. Having an R&D Centre in India has helped Intel in coming up with many new ideas and inventions, which obviously helps it to stay as a leader in its domain.
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The sole factor that allows Intel to stay ahead of the pack in the chip world is their superior fab process. None of that research happens in India, yet.

There are many design patents filed, and accepted. Most of these are useful as deterrants against litigation - no impact on revenue.

The Intel team in India does a fine job of execution on designs, agreed. How long that'll last is questionable. Good people who had initially joined the company given it's standing, are put off at the prospect of career stagnation, infighting and threat of dismissal at the smallest pretext. They are leaving in hordes and Intel is stuffing those positions with second rate engineers and RCGs.

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downreading 12/5/2012 | 3:15:38 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? The US immigration policies have been hurting the best and been beneficial to the bottom feeders. They believe in throwing out the most creative, innovative and skilled while gladly keeping the 'stablility' types.

It's not the H1B and the GC which should be faulted, it's the lacune of INS's medicorism policies, that is the root cause of havoic for the US as well alien worker.

Fundamental flaw exists in how they judge the skills and capabilites of aliens against the jobs that get advertised. That's why, every day run of the mill programmers, with little technical accumen or no ability and conviction to do anything different, is successful with INS all the more so often.

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zoinks! 12/5/2012 | 3:15:37 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? fiberous wrote: "US citizens and residents have a feeling of entitlement. That the country owes it to them!"

For me, it is more an issue of <gasp> patriotism and responsibility to one's own country. The Indian entrepreneurs and businesspeople that I know firsthand that are running offshore operations are motivated by making money AND they all have a strong commitment to the success of India as a country (raising living standards, etc). That is a noble goal and I do not fault them for it, even if it puts my job and career at risk.

However, in the US, if we push back, we're labeled as having a sense of entitlement or being whiners.

My issue is not with my own entitlement, for I know its a global economy. Its with the abandonment of the US by US owned companies.

I said this a few years ago on these boards ... one way to be successful in the US (and help the US itself) is to forge ahead with cottage industry and small business - and hire US citizens. That's my ultimate goal ... once I can land a good idea!

Zoinks!
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keelhaul42 12/5/2012 | 3:15:33 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? Hello sigint,
Always good to read your posts.
Curiosity: What's an RCG? (Seems like something I should know?)

thanks,

-kh

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sigint 12/5/2012 | 3:15:31 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? -kh
Hello sigint,
Always good to read your posts.
Curiosity: What's an RCG? (Seems like something I should know?)

thanks,

-kh
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Likewise, kh, your posts are pretty balanced and make a good read.

RCG is Intel acronym for "Recent College Graduate".

Thanks,
Sigint

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startup_shutup 12/5/2012 | 3:15:28 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? From http://patrick.net/wp/?p=14#co...

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At least in Phoenix you can live a real life instead of working 60+ hour work weeks. Also, you can buy a REAL house instead of a overpriced 50 year-old shack or a place right next to the train track. Silicon Valley is the only place in the US where itGÇÖs illegal to work only 40 hours a week. (SV CEOs think you have no life - otherwise why you working so damn much to fatten their pockets?) BTW, in Phoenix, if you have to run to your car in 116 degree heat youGÇÖre probably out of shape like most of the people in the Bay Area because theyGÇÖre sitting at their desk all day. ItGÇÖs no worse than the BA hitting 100+ w/ relatively high humidityGÇª but you donGÇÖt hear anyone crying about it, do you?

Besides - the weather in the Bay Area is overrrated - everyone talks about how great the weather is here, but the winters suck, just like the summers do in Phoenix. DonGÇÖt we love waking up to overcast/gray days, with plenty of rain.

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got_light 12/5/2012 | 3:15:28 AM

re: Force10: Where's the Exit? Bay area it is!!!

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