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Iipoed 12/5/2012 | 3:15:53 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? Also trying bumping into Chambers in the lunch room and discussing a sales, marketing or engineering concept with him-dosen't happen. A startup environment give most everyone a chance to be heard.
paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 3:15:53 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit?
why

Your message makes no sense. I have read many a resume that is a jump from hither to yon every 18 months. I also know that hitting a winning startup is more than 1 in 10. In the old days, it used to be startups hired the best and brightest. These folks were paid less than average salaries and were trying to make it on options. In the bubble, they seemed to hire average slugs (and pay them a lot of money). The earlier startups were more successful, but if you are not interested on a bit of a bet then they are not for you.

seven
startup_shutup 12/5/2012 | 3:15:52 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? >> Intel is a very open system. No one is ever told to shut up, but you are asked to come up with better arguments. People are allowed to be persistent."

In startups I have seen that differences in opinion (from founders and cronies) is dealt with layoffs (performance could always be cited as reason) ... forget telling someone to shut up (that would be better)
rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 3:15:52 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? A startup environment give most everyone a chance to be heard.

Along similar lines, the Intel founding team seems to have done very well with their culture of openness.

Andy Grove explained in 1989,

"Intel is a very open system. No one is ever told to shut up, but you are asked to come up with better arguments. People are allowed to be persistent."


http://aom.pace.edu/meetings/1...
rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 3:15:52 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? In startups I have seen that differences in opinion (from founders and cronies) is dealt with layoffs (performance could always be cited as reason) ... forget telling someone to shut up (that would be better)

Startup; You may find it helpful to search the internet for articles describing transactional vs. transformational leadership. The latter may be what you are looking for. It is what our industry needs by my judgment.
zoinks! 12/5/2012 | 3:15:49 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? "What American Engineers need is an effective lobbying body, and need to get organised so they have better empowerment."

Agreed - to compete with NECINA and TIE who push hard for Asian based offshoring and outsourcing.

Zoinks!
yikes_stripes 12/5/2012 | 3:15:48 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/...
rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 3:15:47 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? In my mind, overall industry growth is dependant on a dramatic liberalization of the communications infrastructure, both wireless and wireline. So if you want to lobby anything than lobby for this.

I agree with your post. I was wondering if you'd be willing to further expand on the above.
optoslob 12/5/2012 | 3:15:47 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? H1B's are NOT the problem, the actual problem is that the high tech industry is contracting. Contraction results in reduced margin for differenciated products and this equates directly to reduced "value add" for the engineering services required to create a product (meaning reduced pay).

Achieving higher wages for US workers will only force a faster contraction of the US industry as product design and support gets shifted to India and China at an accelerated pace.

What's needed is a return to growth.

Growth stresses the overall system and creates product value in those areas where the demand is being addressed. This results in better prospects for all EE's.

In my mind, overall industry growth is dependant on a dramatic liberalization of the communications infrastructure, both wireless and wireline. So if you want to lobby anything than lobby for this.

optoslob
OpticalHannibal 12/5/2012 | 3:15:46 AM
re: Force10: Where's the Exit? >>> In my mind, overall industry growth is dependant on a dramatic liberalization of the communications infrastructure, both wireless and wireline. So if you want to lobby anything than lobby for this.

This doesn't change the landscape of outsourcing. Most corporates want to have more margins on their product OR reduce costs for better competition.

I have seen many medium size to reasonably big companies scouting for middle management who had experience in handling and managing projects offshore. Even if we were to have economy in 99 and 2000, still greedy corporates try to make even more money. Beleive it or not, CEO's performance and salary raise is based on cost cutting (effectively outsourcing).

I think this trend continues no matter what, till point of cost rationalization. In mid 90's top talent engineers working for American compnaies in India were paid 4000$ p.a. Now the same talent get 20000$ p.a. Over a period of time, if at all jobs were to be outsourced, would be because of shortage of manpower & talent in US & not to reduce costs, as there are no more savings in outsourcing the jobs if salary level keep rising in India & China.
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