re: Extreme Juniper Rumors Are BackHP and Juniper were very close to signing an agreement 6-8 months ago. It never happened and good thing for Juniper. HP is a crappy product with no features and 0 margin. Talk about losing margins? HP also sells to schools and low dollar customers. Not where Juniper ever wants to go.
I see talk about "comidity switches" but if you throw away the network edge business, you're giving business to someone else. If Juniper has a nice high end core switch, who get's the edge? (Cisco, Dell, HP, etc), then what? You chance losing the core to the edge provider. Yes, the edge is getting cheap, but you need to win the edge in order to keep the core. Give away the edge and sell value in the core, that is where high margins are, in chassis based products.
Force 10 has the mindset "we'll win the core and we don't care who is at the edge". They will lose everytime. Cisco will sell end to end, Extreme and Foundry will also sell Edge to Core. This is why Force 10 will never emerge as an enterprise vendor and will stay in the HPCC and University world. Would you use 3 different switch vendors in your network? Juniper offered to buy F10 for 600 to 800M last year and they declined. Good thing for Juniper.
re: Extreme Juniper Rumors Are BackHow about to buy a integrated softswitch startup? I know there are some choices in the market.
Why would they compete with their own partners? There are a lot of all-ecompassing solution vendors for carriers, and they have years of experience, support people, and products for every category. Siemens, lucent, and ericsson account for a good bit of that. Cisco hasn't been doing well in that space either. Now if you mean for enterprise, to compete with the cisco call manager, that may be another story.
HP does resell the Foundry line. The hardware is the same and the software is built with HPs name instead of Foundry's name. However, I don't know whether this is resold as the Procurve line.
If I didn't have to lay off those employees in 2001 I think I wouldn't be so bitter. I remember the good days of the industry when Cisco was like Foundry. Now Foundry is more like Cisco used to be, but everyone focuses on the fluff companies who try to be like Cisco is now and I think it hurts the industry. More nostalgic than bitter.
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losing margins? HP also sells to schools and low dollar customers. Not where Juniper ever wants to go.
I see talk about "comidity switches" but if you throw away the network edge business, you're giving business to someone else. If Juniper has a nice high end core switch, who get's the edge? (Cisco, Dell, HP, etc), then what? You chance losing the core to the edge provider. Yes, the edge is getting cheap, but you need to win the edge in order to keep the core. Give away the edge and sell value in the core, that is where high margins are, in chassis based products.
Force 10 has the mindset "we'll win the core and we don't care who is at the edge". They will lose everytime. Cisco will sell end to end, Extreme and Foundry will also sell Edge to Core. This is why Force 10 will never emerge as an enterprise vendor and will stay in the HPCC and University world. Would you use 3 different switch vendors in your network? Juniper offered to buy F10 for 600 to 800M last year and they declined. Good thing for Juniper.