re: Extreme Expects Revenue DipGiven power supplies blowing up in data centers, poor product quality, telcos banning Extreme from low quality experiences, and the brain drain to Cisco/Foundry, I'm not suprised. I wonder how many days until Chris Todd is told to go back to Cisco (The Cisco Stragegy belongs to Cisco, not Chris Todd).
Business is business. Extreme customers will continue to pay the price long after they buy Extreme. FACT. Extreme started in the same year as Founry and has HALF the customers... Hmmmm... If they are hundreds of millions of dollars in the hole, it is obvious that they expect their customers to pay that debt. How can Extreme continue on without making profits? I for one, am not going to wait around to find out. They can take their no cut-and-paste 15 printed pages default config and wonder why the Cisco faithful hate their guts... Talking to former Extreme employees, they say their biggest disappointment was the poor quality, the SRAM problems, the power supply problems, the warping backplanes, the glaring purple headache, and having a poorly managed company from the top down (FACT: They are 100's of millions of dollars behind their competitors that started in the same year). Enter Dell and GbE...
Foundry/Cisco is all I need to buld a network that makes real money. Which I did. And now I enjoy the money (vacation in Malaysia was grea!). Wonder how the Extreme folks feel... It would be great if Juniper learned from Extremes mistakes and made this a 3 horse race, but unfortunately, Juniper listens to itself and not to the customers (how many customers requested an infranet to bail themselves out of 1 Billion dollars debt?)
Don't even know why I type this. I feel just knowing this myself is more valuable and the Juniper/Procket crew will just baste me in how only they know IP routing and nobody else does... Foundry/Cisco know profits. Nobody else does... Bye, bye Extreme. You are/were the worst company in the history of computer networking. It was NOT nice knowing you. HOPEFULLY, someone will step in as the number 3 company and show they know how to make a penny. This will benefit the consumer. Juniper? Maybe... They claim they are number two, but the Foundry guys live in nicer houses and drive nicer cars. They are 1 Billion dollars ahead and Juniper has got to roll up their sleeves... OR die and wait for a business to arrive that knows technology. Repinuj Networks is a good name????
re: Extreme Expects Revenue DipI Know Extreme, Foundry and Cisco extremely well from the the very early days and I can make this point. Cisco was an engineering driven company for the first 5 years of their existence. Foundry has never not been an engineering company (nobody can accuse Bobby Johnson of being a marketing guy). Unfortunately Extreme has been a 100% marketing driven company from day one. Their sales tactics were exactly like Cisco's (after cisco had been in business for 10 years). That is to negative sell, pre-announce products 6 months to a year before shipping and following the old Ascend mentality, go straight from Alpha testing, skipping beta testing, to market. The good people bailed long ago from Extreme. I do hope they survive and maybe merge with Juniper as this industry does not need anymore unemployed people.
re: Extreme Expects Revenue DipMany of these comments are unfair. Extreme is a company thats 100% committed to delivering products to customers no matter what gets in the way. They take care of customers rather than blue-sky about things customers dont care about. They don't want to be Ferrari or BMW, they want to be the Honda of ethernet switches. And blue diamond has the potential to be the Honda accord of the ethernet world.
I would discount any rumors about Juniper. There is no way that the diamond(s) would fit into their portfolio. They would not know how to go about selling anyway. They want to build wedding cakes rather than deliver donuts to the masses.
The top people at extreme know how to cut through the static and get a product //OUT THE DOOR//. So stop the ridicule. Things will get better. This is just one bad day.
re: Extreme Expects Revenue DipFW23, its the black diamond. As to honda accord similarity more like Yugo.
As to Juniper, they both would benefit, Extreme has no carrier product and Juniper has no L2 product. Some of the same VCs involved with both companies. No negatives to them merging I can see only potential for increased customer penetration business (one stop shop type sales approach).
Ask your boss at Juniper to assign you to a new job. I don't think stalking people who say the truth about Juniper is going to lead to a positive result. It will work about as well as those hate-speach drawings did.
If you want to help Juniper, start a groundswell for that superbowl ad. its getting close, but there is still time to get some media exposure and get some more people in potential customers aware of juniper's existance.
As HEAVY READING pointed out, the problem is marketing and customer awareness for Juniper, not guys on speaker's corner telling the world their view from the peanut gallery.
re: Extreme Expects Revenue DipExtreme has been a bottom feeder selling low quality, me-too products at absurd prices. They aren't strategic - they're just a commodity. Chris and Spili are good guys but someone has to take the fall.
re: Extreme Expects Revenue DipFrom the very beginning Extreme was focusing on CLECs. This was a wrong strategy for the company to follow. For a long time Extreme thoght it could survive on business like YIPEs and companies like it. Unfortunately it did not work out very well for Extremes.
re: Extreme Expects Revenue DipBM-once again you have no idea what your are talking about. Extreme's sales direction was to push as much through channels as possible. Yipes was a large customer but the majority of Extreme's business was 48 port stackables in the first few years, certainly not a clec product.
You really have no idea what is going on in this industry, research it first before you continue to post your nonsense.
Business is business. Extreme customers will continue to pay the price long after they buy Extreme. FACT. Extreme started in the same year as Founry and has HALF the customers... Hmmmm... If they are hundreds of millions of dollars in the hole, it is obvious that they expect their customers to pay that debt. How can Extreme continue on without making profits? I for one, am not going to wait around to find out. They can take their no cut-and-paste 15 printed pages default config and wonder why the Cisco faithful hate their guts... Talking to former Extreme employees, they say their biggest disappointment was the poor quality, the SRAM problems, the power supply problems, the warping backplanes, the glaring purple headache, and having a poorly managed company from the top down (FACT: They are 100's of millions of dollars behind their competitors that started in the same year). Enter Dell and GbE...
Foundry/Cisco is all I need to buld a network that makes real money. Which I did. And now I enjoy the money (vacation in Malaysia was grea!). Wonder how the Extreme folks feel... It would be great if Juniper learned from Extremes mistakes and made this a 3 horse race, but unfortunately, Juniper listens to itself and not to the customers (how many customers requested an infranet to bail themselves out of 1 Billion dollars debt?)
Don't even know why I type this. I feel just knowing this myself is more valuable and the Juniper/Procket crew will just baste me in how only they know IP routing and nobody else does... Foundry/Cisco know profits. Nobody else does... Bye, bye Extreme. You are/were the worst company in the history of computer networking. It was NOT nice knowing you. HOPEFULLY, someone will step in as the number 3 company and show they know how to make a penny. This will benefit the consumer. Juniper? Maybe... They claim they are number two, but the Foundry guys live in nicer houses and drive nicer cars. They are 1 Billion dollars ahead and Juniper has got to roll up their sleeves... OR die and wait for a business to arrive that knows technology. Repinuj Networks is a good name????
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