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justcurious 12/4/2012 | 8:28:51 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand The correct one is :http://www.nwfusion.com/edge/
columnists/2001/0430bleeding.html and the article's name is STragedy
whineceller 12/4/2012 | 8:28:51 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand justcurious- your url link was incorrect-- but perhaps you meant to post this one? This is dead on funny!!

http://www.nwfusion.com/edge/c...
justcurious 12/4/2012 | 8:28:53 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand An interesting article on start-up's life at

http://www.fusion.com/edge/col...
0430bleeding.html
whineceller 12/4/2012 | 8:29:54 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Are you are saying that Lucent spent the money on Nexabit to steal thunder from the Juniper IPO?

No I dont think any company would be stupid enought to waste a billion just to steal the thunder from another companies IPO,(but of course this is Lucent we are talking about)- Because of the timing of the Nexibit announcement I have to believe it was a mis-guided attempt by Lucent Executives to mess with Junipers party.

The real point of my post is in regards to companies who got hatched as part of the networking buyout frenzy in 1999. Im sure a good portion of of the companies that were started in the frenzy thought that they too could show some fancy slideware to a potential deep-pocketed suitor like Lucent, Alcatel, or Cisco and get snapped up. They still might but for a hell of a lot less
whineceller 12/4/2012 | 8:29:56 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand >>Come again? Ascend?

Yes Ascend- have a look for yourself

http://www.forbes.com/ipodata/...
right_leading 12/4/2012 | 8:30:04 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand >On a bright note I still feel that the networking
>industry is in its very nacent stages. The next >Gorillas like Sun, Dell, Cisco, Juniper, Ascend, >EMCs, are still in infancy waiting to be created
>for the networking space.

Come again? Ascend?
hrdhtr 12/4/2012 | 8:30:05 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Are you are saying that Lucent spent the money on Nexabit to steal thunder from the Juniper IPO?
tony1athome 12/4/2012 | 8:30:06 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand
Yeah, you're right, that was unnecessary.

I apologize for the lapse.

Tony
whineceller 12/4/2012 | 8:30:10 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand As I recall the timing of the Lucent purchase of Nexabit was announced on the same day as the Juniper IPO June 25 1999 to be exact. Presumably
in an mis-guided frenzy by Lucent to steal some
thunder from Juniper and also facing the fact that any in-house solution that Lucent was offering was toast in the face of the Juniper solution. I would give the Nexibit team high marks for taking the money and running which is what most of them did
in the next 6 months. The year of 1999 was the the year that really set in motion the frenzy of VC activities to fund all things in Optical Core networking especially after Siara and Cerent got snapped up.

Flash forward to 2001 and here we are with hundreds of optical startups in motion
by the billions of dollars of VC funding from
the past two years. The hyped promise of the Internet in shambles, plus bankrupt CLECs and struggling Carriers and cautious ILECs - and major
pain for the major legacy equipment providers Lucent, Cisco, Nortel, Nokia, Ericsson, Alcatel, Siemens etc. My how times have changed since the go go Internet days. Indeed a great shifting of the sands and of course with any shift of this magnitude means major problems for many and major major opportunities for others!

Its probably a good time for the {funded with intent to be purchased group of startups) to to really acess the situation and think seriously about closing the doors. Especially true for those companies that blew off offers to be purchased a year ago and have little chance to be purchased again today at a valuation close
to what they were previously offered. Unless
you really have something up your sleeve and can make it on your own or have major provider reseller agreement intrest you should probably just hang it up! Yes just hang it up and give
the remaining money back to your VC. Think of
a new business plan and try again.

Others who went in to start a real business should
should do a serious eval of what they are offering
in this enviroment-if your technology is a true lost cause,has no major reseller agreement, is shitty technology, or a "me too" product that offers little real improvement,displacement or cost savings over whats already available by other companies then do the industy and your employees a favor and hang it up- before the VCs hang it up for you- Just realize this now! This will allow your employees to move to companies that have a true chance and possibly strengthening their chances of sucess.

For companies that have a real value play, a real displacing technology, good intrest from potential customers or feel you can blow the doors off of the compitition because existing technology sucks then hang in their and you might be rewarded.

On a bright note I still feel that the networking
industry is in its very nacent stages. The next Gorillas like Sun, Dell, Cisco, Juniper, Ascend, EMCs, are still in infancy waiting to be created
for the networking space.

Happy Coding or Coidene!
tink 12/4/2012 | 8:30:12 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand "I hope that you were joking when you put "Cisco" and "rock solid" in the same sentence.
Tony"

I must say I find it disconcerting that a major player in this business has time to engage in petty name-calling on message boards. Isn't there an RFC that needs some editing, or something?

Tink
jackdonkey 12/4/2012 | 8:30:12 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand PSInet.....ooops, forgot, they filed for CH 11 or something like that. Wonder if if LU traded PSInet a 64000 for some bad debt on the books?

Anyone?
jackdonkey 12/4/2012 | 8:30:13 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand PSInet.....ooops, forgot, they filed for CH 11 or something like that. Wonder if if LU traded PSInet a 64000 for some bad debt on the books?

Anyone?
HughJardon 12/4/2012 | 8:30:17 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Lucky you
hrdhtr 12/4/2012 | 8:30:17 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Astral Point???
What did I say to make you think that?
No affiliation, no stock, Hugh.
HughJardon 12/4/2012 | 8:30:17 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand "So what is the plan this time? Create more
slideware and wait for another sucker to buy
Axiowave? Fat chance."

Apparently you were present during the negotiations. As I recall, the Nexabit folks gave a really slick PowerPoint presentation so Lucent invested a billion dollars without checking under the hood. Makes sense to me.

Nexabit was a great deal for the people who worked there and the NX64000 will end up up being a wise investment for Lucent despite its apparent effort to drive their stock to zero.

Speaking of stock, how's Astral Point shaping up, hrdhtr?




skeptic 12/4/2012 | 8:30:18 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Given how poor the Nexabit product was the
first time, why would anyone join the same
management team again?
======================================
1 - You are assuming that product quality is
the only measure for success. Nexabit failed,
but it was sold.

2 - Given how poor the nexabit product turned
out, who else is going to hire the people responsible into senior positions.
skeptic 12/4/2012 | 8:30:19 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand PS: In all seriousness, Cisco does do some
things better than Juniper, such as OIR, that
service providers do care about.
-----------------------

In terms of router configuration, juniper is horrible. And if anyone were to tell the truth
at juniper, its as bad as it is because of their
"gated" legacy, not because anyone at the company
believed they were doing something better.

But its a two-company market and juniper delivered working product where a long line of companies could not produce anything that worked or even worked halfway.









hrdhtr 12/4/2012 | 8:30:19 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Assuming that they will need the same things in the future that they need today, you are correct.
Have some insight guy!!!

hitechguy 12/4/2012 | 8:30:20 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand tony1athome said:

"I hope that you were joking when you put "Cisco"
and "rock solid" in the same sentence."

Put them on a log scale. At the top, create
a level "rock solid" and put that point at
Juniper. Assume Cisco is only 1/2 has good
(being generous). Slightly lower on the scale.

Put Nexabit on the scale. Three orders of
magnitude lower. Cisco and Juniper look about
the same on this scale.

hitechguy

PS: In all seriousness, Cisco does do some
things better than Juniper, such as OIR, that
service providers do care about.
hitechguy 12/4/2012 | 8:30:20 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Optinut said:

"...they still created a viable product that is shipping."

You have very low expectations. If I remember
right, Lucent spent close to a billion about
two years ago to buy what they thought was a
close to working product. Yes, Lucent does
deserve most of the blame for for not performing
due-diligence. In other words, they were
suckers for a good slideshow.

Two years later, effectively zero customers
and revenue. After spending a billion.
You call that successful?

And while another sucker might be born every
minute, even a sucker would know not to go
after Axiowave

hitechguy
tony1athome 12/4/2012 | 8:30:20 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand "Why would they when they can get a Juniper or Cisco which is rock solid?"


I hope that you were joking when you put "Cisco" and "rock solid" in the same sentence.

Tony
hrdhtr 12/4/2012 | 8:30:21 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand tsk tsk tsk...
The new and quieter Lucent will let the numbers speak for themselves.
I would love to say, but that would not be in my best interest.


hrdhtr
silent mariner 12/4/2012 | 8:30:23 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I would say that they are not stupid enough, bonehead, but i have seen crazier decisions...
optinuts 12/4/2012 | 8:30:23 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand hrdhtr,
we appreciate your candor and integrity.

who is nexabit shipping to? any customers announced?
hrdhtr 12/4/2012 | 8:30:23 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Time out there Pal,
I worked there (Nexabit) and I made money.
How about pride?
How about finishing what you start?
Where would the we be if everybody was in it just for the money???
Get real....contribute!!!





optinut 12/4/2012 | 8:30:25 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand So what is the plan this time? Create more
slideware and wait for another sucker to buy
Axiowave? Fat chance.

Hmmm...yeah, I guess it's really their fault that Lucent spent the money on them... whether it was completed by the folks left at Lucent or not, they still created a viable product that is shipping. I would call that a success, and I'm sure the folks who worked there and made the $$$ on the deal would agree.

Another sucker....there's one born every minute.



hrdhtr 12/4/2012 | 8:30:28 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Keep your eyes open folks.
The NX64000 will earn a share of this market.

hrdhtr
hrdhtr 12/4/2012 | 8:30:28 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Yo Hitechguy,
networking_legend 12/4/2012 | 8:30:29 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand "Poor product? Who cares! It's all about the benjamins, baby."

I could not have put it any better myself. It seems that people keep forgetting this all so important fact!

hitechguy 12/4/2012 | 8:30:29 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand So what is the plan this time? Create more
slideware and wait for another sucker to buy
Axiowave? Fat chance.

Nexabit might be shipping now (finally), but
nobody is buying. Why would they when they
can get a Juniper or Cisco which is rock solid?

hitechguy
hrdhtr 12/4/2012 | 8:30:30 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand They all screwed before it was done, give credit to those who stayed the course to bring this product to market. The folks that work for Lucent.
optinut 12/4/2012 | 8:30:30 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand actually, hitechguy....the product they built is shipping.
bluey 12/4/2012 | 8:30:31 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand hitechguy - Cuz a lot of people made some pretty phat cash at Nexabit and are hoping for another home run. Poor product? Who cares! It's all about the benjamins, baby.

lu-alum 12/4/2012 | 8:30:33 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I think this says it all.....

http://www.cratosnetworks.com/...
hitechguy 12/4/2012 | 8:30:33 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Given how poor the Nexabit product was the
first time, why would anyone join the same
management team again?

hitechguy
AnthrBnhd 12/4/2012 | 8:30:36 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Bonehead,
Are you saying the ALL the employees of Crater actually signed such a letter, or was that just an idle threat from SN to Comstellar? I would think by now that the employees are smart enough to realize that it's time to cut out the cancer. The opposite would make more sense, i.e. a letter to Comstellar from the employees stating that they would quit if he STAYS!
I also agree, coming back as the CTO is like cutting the cancer from your face and having it reappear in your lungs.
Now the biggest question, will he show up again somewhere with a fake resume and a new name, or is he finally out of this industry?
Bonehead 12/4/2012 | 8:30:37 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Silent Mariner,

Is Raj Sing foolish enough to even consider allowing him to come back as CTO ? I would think he would be more inclined to do some investigation into his activities. I don't understand how Comstellar could continue to allow
his physcotic behavior to continue for so long. Besides the lies and sudden mood swings,he lavishly spent company money to impress people
while he scrutinized every penny spent by others. He has no respect for the company or others including Raj. only his ego. He believed he could threaten Comstellar by getting all employees to sign a letter stating if goes they all go.
abcd123 12/4/2012 | 8:30:46 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Nexabit founders have started Axiowave I hear; most of the team that went to Lucent is now there
hitechguy 12/4/2012 | 8:30:48 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Nexabit is DOA

hitechguy
corefun 12/4/2012 | 8:30:50 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand BTW where is Nexabit ...dead or alive ....
r they shipping ...
flashhog 12/4/2012 | 8:30:52 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I heard that he is not gone, but is no longer CEO. I think he is still CTO. They are about to get another round of funding, and i think one of the conditions was that SN no longer be CEO. I am sure he is not happy, but it is probably a good thing for the company.
silent mariner 12/4/2012 | 8:30:52 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand He was forcibly removed and the locks have been changed. there is talk about potentially making him CTO but I will wager that the lawyers will recommend that he not be invited into the building at any time. There is also no round of funding in place but there is a concentrated effort to get one. The new CEO (interim from what I hear) has some good contacts...
silent mariner 12/4/2012 | 8:30:53 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand that is true
AnthrBnhd 12/4/2012 | 8:30:57 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I also heard that he is gone. I don't know about the "police" but it wouldn't surprise me.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!
So ... I wonder what kind of "package" he got out of this one?
Bonehead 12/4/2012 | 8:31:14 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Can anyone verify the rumor that Comstellar had to have the police physically remove Sanjeev from the premises after firing him ? I hear he was trying to sell the company in a hurry.
cologne 12/4/2012 | 8:41:16 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Entropy and Bonehead,
The truth will be very difficult, unless it comes from one of the ex-Cratos folks (I'm sure there are many), however I would also vote that the company is down to one and only one employee: the "man" himself. Assuming most OFC attendees probably read this notes string, would YOU walk around that trade show with a badge that says "Cratos"??? It's probably time for SN to change the company name again.
entropy 12/4/2012 | 8:41:17 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Bonehead-

But this is speculation. Almost certainly true, but speculation none the less.

Does anyone know anybody on the inside at Cratos? *Is* there anyone on the inside, or is S.N. Cratos' sole employee?

-Entropy


> Entropy,
> After reading all the comments, it should be > obvious why there was no
> Cratos. First, SN mentioned he is afraid to let > the few people willing to
> work for him out of his dungeon for fear of > poaching (or more afraid of
> someone else getting any credit or telling the > truth) then no one can
> man the booth. Secondly, if you claim you are > already in lab tests with
> availability this summer you had better show up > with something. Third,
> if his normal operation is to lie whenever it > suits him, why would
> anyone believe him at any time ? Good luck, > searching for him at Supercomm.
Bonehead 12/4/2012 | 8:41:20 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Entropy,

After reading all the comments, it should be obvious why there was no Cratos. First, SN mentioned he is afraid to let the few people willing to work for him out of his dungeon for fear of poaching (or more afraid of someone else getting any credit or telling the truth) then no one can man the booth. Secondly, if you claim you are already in lab tests with availability this summer you had better show up with something. Third, if his normal operation is to lie whenever it suits him, why would anyone believe him at any time ? Good luck, searching for him at Supercomm.
entropy 12/4/2012 | 8:42:00 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I stopped by the Cratos booth location at OFC, but they weren't there! Instead, there was some other Comstellar-related company in their place. Does anyone have any new info on Cratos? Although I enjoy the S.N.-bashing as much as the next fellow, I am sincerely interested in any real news. Cratos, and Comstellar, anve been pretty quiet lately.
cologne 12/4/2012 | 8:47:32 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Does anyone wonder why SN moved to the east coast to start a company? I somehow don't believe that it's the lack of optical talent in the bay area.
You can run, but you can't hide.
Good luck, Cratos, you'll need it.
John Goldsmith 12/4/2012 | 8:47:44 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I agree wholeheartedly with the previous poster. Sanjeev N. is an immature kid with a real bad attitude problem who has somehow managed to get his hands on 8 million of Raj Singh's money.

Cratos is a dead horse for several reasons - one you can't build an optical switch with $8 million; two even if you could - you can't do this with a total jerk at the top of the pyramid. You talk to him for five minutes, and you would immediately want to run away from him wishing that you never have to meet this guy again in your life. There is no way this guy can get the second round of funding - you can only fool once.

John
alexchilton 12/4/2012 | 8:47:48 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand "My advice to any prospective employee is to go find a play with a shot - say Quantumbridge, Equipe, Axiowave, Appian or any number of others in the area that have credibility. Cratos will be boarding up the doors within 6 months."

Axiowave has a shot? I'd be interested in any elaboration.

Alex.
HughJardon 12/4/2012 | 8:47:50 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I agree whole-heartedly with the last post. I've met with many founders of various startups including SN and he was the most arrogant and least focused of any and I am surprised he's bluffed his way this far. He apparently talks a good game, but that's as far as it goes.

My advice to any prospective employee is to go find a play with a shot - say Quantumbridge, Equipe, Axiowave, Appian or any number of others in the area that have credibility. Cratos will be boarding up the doors within 6 months.
AnthrBnhd 12/4/2012 | 8:48:01 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand SN got funding (from Raj) because although Raj and SN were both employees of Fiberlane together for a short time, Raj never actually worked with him, or had any real exposure to his "capabilities and accomplishments" (and neither did Paul M, who also endorsed him). Basically, Raj trusted SN.
Just to be fair to SN, I'd like to take the time to list some positive things about him. Here's my list:
John Goldsmith 12/4/2012 | 8:48:09 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand
I have known this guy for quite sometime. The guy is "Mr. Know it all" and sucks big time. He is very opiniated (well - the right word would have been arrogant, if you were not his friend). The guy has little personal charms or management skill to attract any talent to the company.

Cratos is a one man show, and SN has no management talent or experience. It will be better for Mr. Raj Singh to save his money for something better.
Bonehead 12/4/2012 | 8:48:10 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Just one correction to the last reponse. I am not familiar with Nexabits's problems, but to compare Cratos to any real product gives them credability.
I had met with some of Nexabit's high level technical people before they were bought and at least they were credible. I can not put Sanjeev in the same ballpark. He is more of a child. It still boggles my mind how he got funding and can continue to lie so often without real ramifications. Does he even have a valid green card ? sadly probably yes.
fluster 12/4/2012 | 8:48:36 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I'm sorry the comments on this site bruised your little ego. Investors and potontental employees looking at Cratos have the right to know how foney Sanjeev is. And yes, if the Nexabit box doesn't work, how come its been shipping and generating revenue? Get your facts straight buddy.
flashhog 12/4/2012 | 8:48:45 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I have to admit, I had heard both good and bad things about SN before reading this string of messages. But after reading them, it appears many of you have had more of a bad experience than a good one. I have not met the man, so I cannot comment on his personality or attitude. However, If they do get this next round of funding, we will see if his idea is legitimate. I know the metro-optical space is crouded and many companies will not succeed, but there chances are probably as good an anyone elses rergardless of who is running the ship!
AnthrBnhd 12/4/2012 | 8:49:21 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Actually, my mother taught me to be truthful, not to pump myself up, take credit for things I don't deserve, fool some poor suckers into investing in a company based on the "accomplishments" of the flounder (uh, I mean founder), convince some unfortunate engineers to leave their jobs to join an "internet wiz", etc.
Nexabit is not exactly a great example of a sucess story. Besides, the days of "get a great valuation despite the fact you have no product, no customers/revenues, no leadership" are long gone.
We'll see what Cratos has to offer. You are right, "you never know", maybe there is room for another Nexabit in this world.
dermon1 12/4/2012 | 8:49:34 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Why don't you guys get off this site and get to work? Didn't your mother ever tell you to keep negative comments to yourself? Let them give it a shot, you never know. Nexabit sold a product that supposedly doesn't even work.
Light Headed 12/4/2012 | 8:49:38 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Can anyone tell me how long a company of over 70 emp.s can survive on $10m? How long has Sanjeev got left? I happen to know the first few attempts at closing round two have failed.

You don't need to reply to this one Sanjeev...
Bonehead 12/4/2012 | 8:49:41 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand As one of the boneheads that an (alleged) ex-fiberlaner mentioned, I am quite amused at how many attempts Mr. Newarikar (A little undeserved politeness) has made to pretend to be someone else. Apparently he can't find anyone not on his payroll to say something positive, no surprise there. Thank you Lightreading for exposing his company to the public and for the opportunity for everyone to respond with the inside facts. Your message board is a great source of information, not found elsewhere, for many of us.
JustDaFacts 12/4/2012 | 8:50:02 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Regarding the message by "ExFiberlane":
I can count the number of people on one hand that left Fiberlane before Sanjeev "left", and NONE of these folks would have written this response. This little gem was a fictional autobiography.

I agree that SN had little or no influence on the Siara product. Obviously LR fell down on the "due diligence" before writing their article.
Cratos may succeed despite some obvious deficiencies, but I'd never invest a nickel in this company.
ferris_bueller 12/4/2012 | 8:50:25 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Not that I can comment on the people, technology, or business of Cratos, one thing that I wanted to point out in thier defense...

People keep mentioning that someone can't build a product with 8 million dollars and 1 years time.

This is most likely true, but consider the fact that publicly announced information isnt always the ONLY information.

For instance, they may have already had a second round of financing but have decided not to announce for strategic reasons. They may have been working on a product as a team of founders before the company was incorporated. They may have purchased technology from some other entity, such as academia/research, or a dying startup, etc (think IronBridge). And even if Comstellar went out of business (I have no idea if it did), there are still other VCs out there.

Like I said, I am not saying I think they can or will do what they say...I just wanted to point out the flaws people are using to discredit Cratos's potentials.
the yaz 12/4/2012 | 8:50:30 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand HEY.

i NEVER maligned the founder. But the product is still a freaking coffee machine until he has customers.

And to get back to the original thread, there are WAY TO MANY vendors in this space.

Even if Newarikar could walk on water, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of finding customers with the market density in this arena.

accelp 12/4/2012 | 8:50:35 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand cratos will crater real soon now due to raj singh/redoowd ventures/comstellar. why ?
read:
http://www.upside.com/texis/mv...
OR
http://www.upside.com/texis/mv...

search for the word "comstellar" in the article. comstellar is out of business.
AnotherFiberlaner 12/4/2012 | 8:50:37 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand My god, what a bunch of miserable people! Certainly Sanjeev is not without contraversy; his work at Fiberlane may have been focussed on what Siara became, but what he did and what Siara did are totally independant. On the other hand, I have to wonder how much poetic license was taken by the Lightreading...

The real issue is what has Cratos done and will they succeed? Any jackass who has been involved in a startup knows that there are two cornerstones to success. A team of people and the ability to execute a plan.

At the surface Cratos seems to have built a reasonable team and if their claims of integration are true, then they seem to have executed their plan. Do I know if Cratos will succeed? No. But, nothing I've seen tell's me that they won't. There are no obvious signs of a problem.

By the way, if you wan't to talk about bullshit history, let's talk about the Cyras "bad boys of Fiberlane", or the number of people who claim to be Fiberlane founders. On second thought, don't get me started on that one...
opticaltalent 12/4/2012 | 8:50:41 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Hey Ethical Citizen...how many sloptions did Sanjeev give you to write that brown nose piece about Cratos...OR am I writing to the man himself?
ExFiberlane 12/4/2012 | 8:50:41 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I worked at Fiberlane and left it before Sanjeev & Co left Fiberlane. The folks here who are posting emails are boneheads and don't know sqat about Sanjeev or Fiberlane. Sanjeev came up with the product idea & architecture of the box which was done at Siara and Siara folks took credit for all his work because he had left.

Knowing Sanjeev from his Fiberlane days, he is a super sharp cookie and I would believe that he has executed at light speeds at Cratos to have a prototype of his product. The word in the Fiberlane circle is that he is building a terabit optical transport system.

People are always jealous of his capabilities because of his exceptional talents and abilities.

Wake up and smell the coffee, boneheads!
entropy 12/4/2012 | 8:50:48 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand > Does anyone know Sanjeev's involvement
> (or lack there of) in Redback's $4.3B
> acquisition of Siara Systems?

Sanjeev left Fiberlane before the Fiberlane -> Cerent/Siara split. He never worked for Siara, and any connection he might have to their product is tenuous, obscure, or nonexistant (pick any two).
opticaltalent 12/4/2012 | 8:50:54 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Does anyone know Sanjeev's involvement (or lack there of) in Redback's $4.3B acquisition of Siara Systems?
nonobvious 12/4/2012 | 8:50:55 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand
Roshnee, Inara, now Cratos?

A 1st-rate collection of 2nd-rate companies!
Just_The_Facts 12/4/2012 | 8:50:55 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Ladies and Gentlemn,

without making ethical/personal judgements surrounding any personalities invovled in the Cratos venture, one
can easily come to the conclusion that only 8 million dollars + only 70 staff + only 1 year of development is hardly enoguh resource/time allocation to build anything in the Cisco 15454/RedBack Smart-Edge/Cienna Core-Director category, nevermind combining those features into one box. The 'official' data disclosed is
easily enough information to come to the conclusion that they are either developing something small, they have completely misjudged the engineering effort requried in order to complete such a product, or they are lying.

filbert 12/4/2012 | 8:51:02 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand EthicalCitizen = Sanjeev Newarikar
lightreader 12/4/2012 | 8:51:04 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand with folks like calix, jasmine, ocular, etc
out there pretty much doing the same thing,
much larger, much farther ahead, crater needs
all the help it can get....

the article suggests that they plan to "sprinkle"
in long-haul DWDM later...as if it as easy as
that...shake and bake.....good luck....
alglin 12/4/2012 | 8:51:06 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand
Why are the contents malicious if they express a less than positive opinion? For one thing, some of us have actually met and spoken to the officials of Cratos before making our judgement. From what you wrote, you only have "heard ... he was a talented individual." At any rate, a personal opinion is just that - even Sadam has his followers and Mother Teresa detractors. You need not to be dismayed by these "street talks". Just come back in a year and tell us that were all wrong.
getrealdotcom 12/4/2012 | 8:51:06 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I am another one that has met him. I think the standards should apply before writing about him. They should verify the facts and check references because they would have realized he is great only in his own mind. I suspect you work for him and he had you reply. If not, try checking out his references (not on his resume but with people) before being so surprised.
EthicalCitizen 12/4/2012 | 8:51:07 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I am surprised to see that Lightreading does not have any standards when it comes to posting anonymous messages.

I work closely with the investment community and know about most startups and know that Cratos is a subject of discussions in the investment community because of it's technology. From what I have seen of it's founder & heard about him, he is a extremely talented person and has a midas touch.

I am very shocked by the malicious contents of the postings here.





getrealdotcom 12/4/2012 | 8:51:11 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I am glad to see that people see thru him.
I am also puzzled how anyone can work for such a jerk. It is incredible that someone with so little real engineering knowledge and very little regard for people was given any funding at all. I would advise anyone looking to join a startup to not assume the person is credible just because he/she has been given 8 million dollars (not a whole lot for series A). There definitely needs to be some accountability when you are in a position where you can ruin peoples lives. He believes he is Cratos (Greek god of power & wealth)
the yaz 12/4/2012 | 8:51:12 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Are you talking about the Aurora spy plane or the coffee machine?
filbert 12/4/2012 | 8:51:14 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand kept waiting for someone from Fiberlane to followup on the original whopper.

"...testing a prototype in the lab."
not anything like the mission profile at http://www.mech.uq.edu.au/hype... ?
(looks like an upside down 'V').
no, luckily they won't even have ignition.

generalcharlesdegaulle 12/4/2012 | 8:51:16 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Huh,

with crater networks, raj singh will be batting
0 for 3....roshnee, inara, and now crater.....
all fit the same form.....slideware and talk....
enjoy the cappucino machine!
the yaz 12/4/2012 | 8:51:16 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I'm dying to know if they did any customer focus studies before naming the company.
opti fool 12/4/2012 | 8:51:17 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I hear the Cratos box handles VOIP reasonably well (Cisco interoperable) and dispenses excellent capuccino.
opti fool 12/4/2012 | 8:51:17 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand comstellar backed this bomb. wouldn't be the first time, either.

Go Crater!
optiglut 12/4/2012 | 8:51:25 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I interviewed with this joker last year. Sanjeev told me he would "be looking over my shoulder to check my code." If this isn't a sure sign of a control freak I don't know what is. The sad thing is I was almost sold until meeting with sanjeev and his VP. Top talent or not, I feel sorry for the fools who have bet the farm on this one.
MSJ 12/4/2012 | 8:51:25 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand This is another joke that is not gonna make it
realdeal 12/4/2012 | 8:51:27 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand There is a reason they do not want to disclose who is on board. Kind of like trying to hide a nasty cold sore...
alglin 12/4/2012 | 8:51:28 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand I am surprised Cratos could hire anybody at all.

I interviewed with Yoda networks last year when they had only 6 employees, including the founders. I was so completely turned off by the attitude of the VP of Engineering I did not bother to go back for a second interview. Others who had interviewed with them also told me they were troubled by the personality of the management. Another friend was greatly disturbed as he felt the CTO did not have a good understand how the C compiler works (although I advised my friend that it was probably not the CTO's job to understand technology to that detail.)
notalent 12/4/2012 | 8:51:31 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Word locally is that they can only attract the B- players to work for them. Does anyone know who that have on board that could deliver on their claim of a metro box?
KPSmells 12/4/2012 | 8:51:33 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand The founder, the investors of cratos are all a big joke. No talent and no proof that they ever built a successful product or a company in their past. Raj Singh: founder of cerent: Ha Ha Ha.....this is a big joke. Just ask Vinod Khosla !
fk 12/4/2012 | 8:51:34 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand What does it say for a startup's prospects when the founder won't name executives for fear they will find greener pastures elsewhere? Either this startup has something going for it, or it doesn't. If it does, these key executives will have no motivation to go elsewhere. If it doesn't, then you might have to worry about them.

And as for "the best optical minds," that's cause for a good round of snickering. There's a lot of optical talent in the northeast, and ANYONE who thinks they have cornered the market in optical talent is fooling only himself.
optical-guy 12/4/2012 | 8:51:35 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand With a total pot of $10Mil, they probably wont have the $ to even make a descent product. At least not one that could keep up with the likes of Cerent, Cyras or Siara. Not to mention some of the other premium startups out there that are a good ways along with product and funding.
realdeal 12/4/2012 | 8:51:36 PM
re: Cratos Networks Tips Its Hand Pretty funny piece. Cratos was formerly Yoda (sp?) networks and changed their name. And based on my records (conversations with people working at Cratos/Yoda) the company was formed in the late summer, early fall of 1999. 72 employees, 8 mil in funding and 2 mil in bridge loans- DOES NOT SOUND LIKE SUCH A SOLID PLAY TO ME WHEN YOU COMPARE THEM TO OTHER COMPANIES WHO HAVE STARTED AT THE SAME TIME.

Feedback from the Cratos folks on the above info?
Is my info not accurate?
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