re: Cisco/Huawei Brawl BeginsA new business model can be to offer our services for those hardware devices built in China.
Stop wasting days & nights trying to build the next high speed device. Work normal hours offering the expertise to install and support them. Better return at the end :-)
re: Cisco/Huawei Brawl BeginsSpeaking of trashy mentalities, have you read your own post?
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The Chinese and Indian engineers, whose existence most American's and other folks in the world don't really care about, brought out their Trashy mentalities for the world to see.
re: Cisco/Huawei Brawl BeginsYes. I agree with you.
"The only thing that matters is whether Huawei truly stole significant parts of its product. " This is from your post.
What I am curious here is how to define "significant parts" especially goes to software. Is Huawei stupid enough to copy the whole or part of the source code? I really doubt it.
If the technology of router is well known or mature enough, which is probably the case, just like making keyboard, of course manufacturers in China and India can get the most of the market share because they can easily get inexpensive labor.
re: Cisco/Huawei Brawl Begins1. Cisco's claims are just on : a. Text strings b. Documentations c. CLI d. Protocols (approved by IETF?)
If somebody says these are the key technologies of Cisco, I guess he must be kidding. Both of two companies are not publishing houses. If during reverse engineering, Huawei did not steal any confidential technical document or source code from Cisco, Huawei can easily translate their documentation into Chinese or hire a bunch of English technical writers to rewrite the documentation. As for the CLI, Huawei can also consider how other verdors did, such as Juniper, Nortel, Lucent etc.
In one word, Huawei has its own technologies and it is much easier for it to improve its non-technical parts.
2. Although Cisco sued Huawei in US, their Chinese colleagues are feeling the pain now. Huawei is not a state-owned company, but the Chinese government supports it quite well. You can see how important it is to keep a good relationship with Chinese government: (1) All the telecom products should get approved by government before it can be sold in Chinese market. (2) Almost all large orders are from government or government owned companies (fully or partially), such as banks, telecom companies (national or regional), education institutes, etc.
If Cisco won the suit and got rid of Huawei in US market, then Cisco went to the end of their road in China, since the ministers of IIT (information industry ministry) (or any related department of government) will lose their faces and become afraid of their positions, and finally must be very angry of Cisco's action.
3. No matter who wins law suit, it is double-loss for each party. Nortel, Lucent and Alcatel should be the winner of this war, since: (1) if Chinese government still have to buy foreign telecom products (which have better technologies and quality at least now), they will put the order with these foreign vendors. (2) if Cisco wins the law suit and does not make any demage to their Chinese market share, all other foreign vendors can do the same thing to Chinese vendors.
re: Cisco/Huawei Brawl Beginspaulsha911, thank you for a great post. Yes I agree wholeheartedly with you that we should end this silly and meaningless India vs China debate. All that we have ended up showing on this thread is how educated people can be racist and bigoted.
Now, coming to the serious issue of jobs moving offshore, the fact is that jobs have always moved around, and they will always move around. When a California company moves operations to Arizona, are they "stealing" jobs from California? In principle, a Californian can move to Arizona, but in practice, 90% of them don't or won't due to family and other constraints.
While moving to India or China may not look like an option to many Americans, it is actually becoming more of an option lately. 40 years ago, no westerner would have moved to Japan, and today perhaps a million of them work there. If you visit Singapore or Hong Kong, you will be surprised at the number of westerners living and prospering in these cities. So growth in poorer nations is a benefit to *every one* including Americans.
In fact, it is entirely a smart career move for many Americans with business savvy, managerial talent etc to work in a up-and-coming country for a while. The "return" on their talent is much higher (an American manager will manage hundreds of people vs tens of people, and the leverage/salary/prestige can be actually much higher than at home).
If you think this is an outlandish idea, note that this has gone on for a long time. Multinational corporations routinely have sent managerial/professional talent abroad to manage their far-flung operations. There is a good two way trade here, apart from the cultural benefits of exchange of people and ideas.
Yes, we have a downturn now. But the way we are going to get out of it is to think outside the box, and break old assumptions.
We can impose trade sanctions etc on each other, but that road leads to a second Great Depression.
You seem to assume the phrase implies that most of the world cares little about Chinese or Indians. It seems more likely to me that most of the world, and the US in particular, cares little about engineers.
--------- Speaking of trashy mentalities, have you read your own post?
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The Chinese and Indian engineers, whose existence most American's and other folks in the world don't really care about, brought out their Trashy mentalities for the world to see.
re: Cisco/Huawei Brawl Begins<<<< I think the best invention to come out of China is Chinese takeout. Nothing like it when you don't feel like cooking. >>>>
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And, if your local takeout establishment is anything like mine, it's always ready in "ten minute thank you."
Stop wasting days & nights trying to build the next high speed device. Work normal hours offering the expertise to install and support them. Better return at the end :-)