Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei

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rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 12:41:19 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei I guess you must be too young to know what the Japanese did back in the 60's and 70's. Among other things, they took over the TV market completely. Not to mention cars.....

Isn't GM still the world's largest auto manufacturer? Also, what Japanese television program influences folks in the Middle East to wear Levis and drink Coke?

Agreed that copying can be a quick way to "make the grade" but it gives little basis for the achievement of greatness.

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GO_PHOTON 12/5/2012 | 12:41:17 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei Has the Japanese achieved greatness ?
I say yes! Did they copy everything ?
definitely no - just look at how many
Japanese won the Nobel Prize, or how many
sience papers they published in leading
research magzines. They are just behind the
US, well ahead of others. If you count
the authors by country of birth, then
the number of research papers by US would
be cut in half.

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lob 12/5/2012 | 12:41:16 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei > "Nobody becomes great by copying."

> I guess you must be too young to know what the
> Japanese did back in the 60's and 70's. Among
> other things, they took over the TV market
> completely. Not to mention cars.....

Well, I'm old enough to remember that they didn't actually _copy_ stuff, but rather came up with new approaches for low-cost mass manufacturing and proceeded taking over while American management was sleeping at the wheel.

The more instructive story (and more relevant) would be the fate of Soviet computer industry which in 50s and 60s was quite on par with American. Those computers were needed to build nukes, aircraft, and missiles - and there was no way to buy them.

In 70s, the party bosses decided to save resources by discontinuing the original designs and cloning IBM 360/370 and (later) PDP-11. That effectively killed the industry.

So... copying is really no way to gain a competitive position. Actually, I think the patent laws are significantly more harmful than beneficial - they diminish the value of rapid innovation and (correspondingly) make management to value innovators (which are typically a pain in the ass to have around) a lot less. The net result is less innovation -- exactly opposite to what the intention of having IP property laws was.

Although Cisco management is doing its duty by pursuing legal venues for damaging competition, they are ultimately sacrificing the long-term innovative culture to the short-term profit considerations. This is rather indicative of a company having a creative block... like Apple had when they started playing the look-and-feel legal games (did a lot of good for them...)

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lahlah 12/5/2012 | 12:41:09 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei "Actually, I think the patent laws are significantly more harmful than beneficial - they diminish the value of rapid innovation and (correspondingly) make management to value innovators (which are typically a pain in the ass to have around) a lot less. The net result is less innovation -- exactly opposite to what the intention of having IP property laws was."

It's not so simple. IP laws are supposed to perform a balancing act akin to the one that
s established in real property: you need private land to motivate people to improve it, but you need public roads to travel without paying 20 different people a toll. You'll have suboptimal use of resources if all land is private (no one can travel) or if all land is public (under communism no one bothers to do anything).

In the Cisco/Huawei situation, Huawei didn't use the public roads, which they're entitled to do. They camped out in Cisco's garden and started munching on the vegetables.

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kent923 12/5/2012 | 12:41:09 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei Perhaps, the most reason is that they are spending Lunar New Year holidays now. It lasts about 15 days from Jan 24 usuanlly. Cisco starts a tactic which is effective but not respectful.

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whyiswhy 12/5/2012 | 12:41:08 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei NOTHING is selling in China these days. The market there is dead, the bubble is gone, gone, gone!

Does anyone here think Huawei would be so foolish to risk the flames if they thought they had any choice?

Therefore, in the short term, Cisco loses nothing in China, and protects their real source of sales: outside China, the US to be specific.

-Why

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Just do it! 12/5/2012 | 12:41:04 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei > whyiswhy wrote:
> NOTHING is selling in China these days. The
> market there is dead, the bubble is gone, gone,
> gone!

Please back your claim.

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greyhair 12/5/2012 | 12:41:03 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei > rj, when are you going to give up the socialist ranting?

The same time you give up your conservative ranting?

- man in the middle

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Bill Johnson 12/5/2012 | 12:41:03 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei rjmcmahon wrote:
"Another perspective is to focus as much, or more, effort on the "pay" as on the "not pay". In other words, enabling people so they can earn an honest living would be part of any culture that discourages thievery."

rj, when are you going to give up the socialist ranting? Please explain to us why you feel people cannot enable themselves to better their situation? Honest living is just that, a choice to be honest. Thievery is also a choice, albeit a poor one, a choice nonetheless that is made soley by the one conducting the act.

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belas_knap 12/5/2012 | 12:41:02 AM

re: Cisco Wins Round 1 Against Huawei Depends exactly what the term "intellectual property" is targetted at in the lawsuit. Sure, some of the (alleged) proofpoints indicated by Cisco are the software bugs that are replicated: however, if the lawsuit goes deeper than the software - for example (and I am not alleging anything here - just a "for instance") proving replication or reverse engineering of the ASICS (after all, this is one major reason why large companies like Cisco develop their chipsets in ASIC form) then Huawei may be able to change the code, but not necessarily the chipset in that time - it depends exactly what they are marketing as "new product". Also, given that the IOS code in Cisco routers/products probably consists of a code-base in excess of 10 million lines of code and thousands of package builds, again this will beg the question of what exactly are Huawei going to release ?

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