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1/27/2014 | 9:50:26 PM
Sharks in the Water
Though it does seem to carry more bandwith, the concerns are not uncalled for. I do believe the bigger companies will try to take advantage of this change however, and will swarm the waters until every drop is taken. 
elijed23
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1/27/2014 | 9:50:26 PM
Sharks in the Water
Though it does seem to carry more bandwith, the concerns are not uncalled for. I do believe the bigger companies will try to take advantage of this change however, and will swarm the waters until every drop is taken. 
optical_man
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12/5/2012 | 1:10:49 AM
re: Cisco Stumps for CRS-1
Sorry Cisco. I have always respected you and your mission. (technology aside...that's a different story).

Is it me, or is this the beginning of Cisco's slide into becoming Alcatel, Nortel, Lucent, Ericsson?

They are now having to defend the same stories that the Old Guard has to every other month.

"Older, Mature, Company with a good product years ago, cannot seem to innovate"

Which company does that describe? One or all of them.
Welcome to the club Cisco. It's not a bad club, it's a profitable one, but the WOW is now gone.
It's time for all the fun stuff, like layoff's, politics, lack of direction, and retiree pension reductions, or at least the Stock Option version of same.

Sign of the times, methinks.
jepovic
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12/5/2012 | 1:10:48 AM
re: Cisco Stumps for CRS-1
The CRS-1 is a helluvalot more innovative than the T640. Its software architecture is exactly where routers need to go, when the operators migrate all their traffic to IP/MPLS. Juniper has nice stuff, but I doubt that monolithic software will do in the long term.

Right now, though, the GSR carries enough traffic, so it's tough for carriers to build a business case for a brand new core. Also, fewer and fewer carriers enjoy being the vendors' guinea pigs, and prefer to wait until the software stabilizes.
dpb
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12/5/2012 | 1:10:45 AM
re: Cisco Stumps for CRS-1
A little quick searching will give you the answer to the deployment of CRS-1 and if it is passing customer traffic.

Go here:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-...

Then here:
http://proj.sunet.se/LSR3/

-David Bannister
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myoptic,
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12/5/2012 | 1:10:44 AM
re: Cisco Stumps for CRS-1
Cisco is nearing the "cut bait" decision point for the CRS-1. After 5 years and over $500 million in development costs and extensive arm twisting of its customer base, Cisco has yet to register a single legitimate customer win with the CRS-1.

Fact is that Cisco got blinded by ego and built a box which is out of touch with carrier requirements. The CRS-1 is waay too big, doesn't have the interfaces to replace the GSR, and has fundamental ASIC performance and sw stability issues.

Cisco is already hedging their bets with the 12816, and is using Procket resources to develop the CRS-2. The rumblings are that the CRS-2 will be built on a new hardware architecture and the CRS-1 may go down in history as a very expensive science project.
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12/5/2012 | 1:10:44 AM
re: Cisco Stumps for CRS-1
myoptic said
"Fact is that Cisco got blinded by ego and built a box which is out of touch with carrier requirements."

- Many aspcts of the CRS-1 were built as a result of direct customer feedback, this is the type of box they want in their networks.

"The CRS-1 is waay too big"

- '640Kb is enough for anyone'?

"doesn't have the interfaces to replace the GSR"

- What core router can you name had POS OC-3 to OC-768, GigE, ATM, channelized interfaces all supported in its initial release?

"has fundamental ASIC performance and sw stability issues."

- What Asic performance and s/w stability issues exactly?


"Cisco is already hedging their bets with the 12816, and is using Procket resources to develop the CRS-2."

- LOL, you are really grasping at straws. If you had any clue you would know that Procket resources are *not* being used for this purpose. I don't know why people like you think they can type this B.S. as there are many other people reading this that know you are just making this up.


"The rumblings are that the CRS-2 will be built on a new hardware architecture and the CRS-1 may go down in history as a very expensive science project."

- Ehh, no, wrong again.


AAL5
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12/5/2012 | 1:10:42 AM
re: Cisco Stumps for CRS-1
Good lord-it sounds like the republican versus the democrats when reading the posts of you router wanks.

Give it a rest. Both companies (Juniper/Cisco)are solid. Both have good products.

Do you know most people read your "slanted" posts and simply chalk it up to internal marketing from one or the other.

-chipsales.

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12/5/2012 | 1:10:42 AM
re: Cisco Stumps for CRS-1
"Juniper has nice stuff, but I doubt that monolithic software will do in the long term."

This is very funny coming from a Cisco cheerleader...

-tsat
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opticalwatcher,
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12/5/2012 | 1:10:42 AM
re: Cisco Stumps for CRS-1
"Cisco is already hedging their bets with the 12816, and is using Procket resources to develop the CRS-2."
"LOL, you are really grasping at straws. If you had any clue you would know that Procket resources are *not* being used for this purpose. "

Too bad. Despite all of the talk of Procket's massive overspending, they accomplished a lot more (in terms of customer traction) than Cisco for a LOT less money. Cisco would be nuts not take advantage of what Procket accomplished. But you know how it can be at big companies--it wasn't invented here so politically it is probably looked at like dirt. Companies often care more about their egos than what is best for the company.

And no, I never worked at Procket.
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