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Sisyphus 12/5/2012 | 1:00:33 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers
All this adolescent grudges between Juniper and Cisco folks. relax guys, you don't have to totally become borg-like creatures just because you're on some companies payroll. These forums would be more enriching if there'd be less knee jerk response, and more exchange on technology facts.

To my knowledge, both Juniper and Cisco have some very smart people in their team, and nor the CRS-1 nor the TX represent the abominations in mediocre engineering some here would make us want to believe. You can bet both were developed with direct input from customers willing and eager to deploy the products.

Neither of the two will gain 100% market dominance and obliterate the other - at least that's something the Cisco and Juniper folk ought to realize by now.

I also think it's accurate to say that while the CRS-1 was initially way over-engineered, and the process to turn the project into a more realistic concept delayed the program to a degree that at some point seemed surreal, the Juniper T concept was faster to market, yet took a few (pefectly valid) architectural shortcuts to establish itself in the market first as a "Terabit" incumbent. The advantage the T has is incumbency, the advantage the C has is more architectural potential for the future. And Juniper is sure to have further upgrades up its sleeve.

It'll continue to be entertaining to witness this battle in high end routing, however people from either company writing in here should take a clue from their management and keep the discussion -for all the sword rattling- gentlemany.
h4oooo 12/5/2012 | 1:00:33 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers can not image that!

5urf5hop 12/5/2012 | 1:00:32 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers >Will Light Reading offer a pool for
>guessing how long Tony will last back at Cisco?

Depends. If Tony is able to resurrect his Procket hardware and team, then 5 years. If not, then 2 months. Last I heard, the Procket eng-team has been decentralized and reassigned. Morale is low. Most Procket developers are waiting for the 1 year vest, then they'll jump ship. The $89M Procket designs are collecting dust.

If this Tony rumor is true, my gut feeling is 3 months. The Procket team cannot be reassembled due to internal Cisco politics. Unless Chambers himself steps in and gives Tony a Gold Card.
gotman 12/5/2012 | 1:00:32 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers The flame you see is my motivation, what motivates me even more is this technology!!!

Happy to share with you technical muscle on IOS-XR, I can't do that when I'm bent over... To bad you have to resort to this sort of language, doesn't matter where you work!!

opt-out 12/5/2012 | 1:00:32 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers Will Light Reading offer a pool for guessing how long Tony will last back at Cisco?
andropat 12/5/2012 | 1:00:31 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers candc,

i'll give that to you. they definitely HAD the best. they still HAVE some great guys but maybe playing fields have evened out and there has been some attrition.

yes some have checked out completely and some are maybe in more of a consulting role. i wouldn't doubt the bugs found today would have never been found early on.

pat
routed 12/5/2012 | 1:00:29 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers What makes you think that the Procket team (that joined after CRS-1 is released) is smarter than the team that actaully built CRS-1 from ground up?

Low Morale? From what? Being not doing any work for last few months? I had the pleasure of meeting some of them. Trust me, I could guess why procket failed.

Internal Politics? Last time I checked, The procket guys were given key positions in CRS-1 team over the guys who actually built the CRS-1.

So if any of them want to leave, nobody in Cisco is going to shed a tear.
gotman 12/5/2012 | 1:00:28 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers >i wouldn't doubt the bugs found today would have >never been found early on.

This is very true, youGÇÖll see people use the technology to the fullest, even very mature technology. So corner cases are being uncovered. SP/enterprises and commercials are really going beyond the major features and into the little feature knobs to get the bang for the buck and are uncovering mysteries.
AAL5 12/5/2012 | 1:00:28 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers 5urf5hop said "Depends. If Tony is able to resurrect his Procket hardware and team, then 5 years. If not, then 2 months. Last I heard, the Procket eng-team has been decentralized and reassigned. Morale is low. Most Procket developers are waiting for the 1 year vest, then they'll jump ship. The $89M Procket designs are collecting dust"

One of the reasons the designs are collecting dust is apart from the NPU there is nothing there that makes the Procket technology worth replacing CRS hardware or IOX software. The Procket guys did a great job of creating a core router with 40G capable per slot, with no VOQing and a flexible NPU. They really delivered what they intended to build.

Architecturally at the system/hardware level they are a few things that make it better than the GSR architecture, but I don't think it was the Procket guys intention of building a box such as CRS. The switching architecture is not meant to scale the same as CRS. Also the software architecture although it had advantages over IOS does not solve the same problems as IOS-XR does.

The NPU was and probably still is leading edge stuff, hopefully some of the technology of this will see the light of day again sometime.

AAL5
vvdip1 12/5/2012 | 1:00:28 AM
re: Cisco Scores CRS-1 Customers I heard that they are giving CRS-1's to customers that originally ordered GSR's so they could get them out in the field. Who would turn that deal down? They can't sell it on its own merits, so they give it away and lose money. I guess you can do that when you are the big kid on the block.
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