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Rush21120 12/5/2012 | 5:41:46 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

There is no such Business Unit as Cisco Optical, that left in 2006.  Yes Cisco sells 15454 MSPP and MSTP. The MSTP is where the 40/100G blades work in the new chassis (new for couple of years now).  Optical is still not on Chambers radar, yes he takes the revenue, but unless it becomes a $B it will never be a BU, that's the rule in Cisco.  I'm glad to see Cisco developing 40/100G but realize Cisco will never return to optical.  EoF but never optical.  MSTP is the core SP optical product, and was/is leaveraged for Cisco's Ethernet products.  Cisco has alway and will always be an Ethernet Company period.

msinisca 12/5/2012 | 5:39:19 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

To RUSH2112's post:

Cisco doesn't have an Optical Transport Business Unit? I thought Bill Gartner is VP of the group.

Since you worked as an Optical Product Engineer there how would compare Cisco's 100G progress with Ciena's. SURFnet and others have been trialling both but Ciena seems to have more adoptors.

BTW 2112 is Rush's BEST album!

Rush21120 12/5/2012 | 5:39:13 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G


Yes Bill has a title, but OTBU was moved into SP years ago and forgotten.  

I was PLM not a Optical Product Engineer, not that I have any issues with OPE, which I have plenty of friends of.

My opinion of Cisco 100G vs. Ciena is that Cisco is late, but generally this happens when as a company its not part of your focus (optical that is).  In saying that never count Cisco out, even if they get knock down they always get back up and fiercely protect there enterprise.

laytonhasnochance 12/5/2012 | 4:48:37 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

Something wrong with this pie. How can cisco who were optically invisible have the same worldwide optical revenues Ciena has just by buying core opitcs, a virtual unknown? Either the pie data is skewed, or cisco became an incumbent for optical products due to other products they already had with customers when they bought core optics. Does not compute.  Where are all these sales Cisco is making optically. Big players or a number of small players who simply have cisco gear to start with?

thehill 12/5/2012 | 4:48:36 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

Did some quick research.  Infonetics has been tracking Cisco at #3 or #4 in SONET MSPP in North America for years now.  Also, Cisco has been either #1, #2, or #3 in Metro DWDM ROADM since 2004.  I imagine, like others that their SONET business is flat, but all boats are rising in the ROADM tide.  I think Cisco has been quietly winning ROADM business for years and now will fill those networks with 40G and 100G coherent from their CoreOptics team.  If you even go to the Cisco website and search for optical you actually see they have a ton of ROADM, service cards and chassis options.  Who knew?  Somehow they did this very quietly.


thehill 12/5/2012 | 4:48:35 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

Good point.  I remember that CoreOptics was selling their 10G MLSE to many vendors and had also sold 40G coherent to NSN and Fujitsu.  


If the 40G is working for Fujitsu and NSN, I imagine it also works for Cisco as they own it.  Maybe someone who is using Cisco's 40G either directly or indirectly (NSN or FNC) will chime in.

Also, this week Cisco had their 100G coherent in their booth at SCTE running in a small chassis (not the legacy Cerent shelf).  I could not see it up close, but it looked like the 100G line card was only 1 slot including the client.  If true, that is really small.

maybe some Cisco customers will chime in to put these guess to rest.



laytonhasnochance 12/5/2012 | 4:48:35 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

That's providing their 40g and 100g systems work effectively. I don't believe core optics are shipping either?  Did it not say 100g was simply a trial. Not sure about their 40g status.

jes 12/5/2012 | 4:48:34 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

The chassis seen in SCTE booth could either be the 15454 M6 (6 line card slot) or 15454 M2 (2 LC slot) chassis. Cisco expanded the optical portfolio ~2 yrs back with these new DWDM chassis which supports most of the older cards which 15454 MSTP used to support. 

This addition helped to make sure they have different size chassis across various markets. Helps in cutting costs !!!

Defanitely encourging news for Cisco  -finally they are seeing the traction .. ROADM business was always strong for Cisco...


Mark Sebastyn 12/5/2012 | 4:48:32 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

The data represents a single quarter snapshot in time, and it was a good Q for Cisco.

Phil Morrison 12/5/2012 | 4:48:22 PM
re: Cisco Makes Noise in 100G

Hold up Cisco isn't new to the Optical world.  The fact that they've been quiet is because they didn't seem all that committed to the business.  Most of the serious players have had 100G coherent for sometime now.

Replacing Tellabs on the pie chart isn't exactly a miracle for 3Q2011.

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