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fsubob 12/4/2012 | 10:47:50 PM
re: Cisco Lights Up COMET signmeup: get your story straight, not sure where youget your information, but I can tell you for a fact SBC is not deploying ONS15540 at all in their network.

This leads me to questoin all you statements.

I'll strap on my boots...
skeptic 12/4/2012 | 10:47:50 PM
re: Cisco Lights Up COMET Juniper has no interest in optical BECAUSE IT IS TOO LATE for them to jump on the bandwagon. Besides, who do you think will be hurt more when Procket delivers its products? Cisco or Juniper? Juniper must be shaking in their boots right about now.
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In the case of procket, it might be "if" rather
than "when" they deliver their products. And
given that nobody knows how long its going to
take procket to even reach market now, Procket
is not the same threat to Juniper it used to
be.

roidechu 12/4/2012 | 7:28:37 PM
re: Cisco Lights Up COMET Why Cisco is keeping his optical platform separated from their IP router?
Why they have not an optical switch?
Why they do not promote IP over wavelength?
I think it is one of the mistery of this huge company.
HarveyMudd 12/4/2012 | 7:28:31 PM
re: Cisco Lights Up COMET It is a pure speculation and callous statement on the part of Cisco to state that the difference between rthe carriers network and enterprise networks have disappeared. This statement is intended to push their products both to to the enterprise and carriers. It is really alarming situation that Cisco would go to such an extent.

Mr. Scott Kriens is absolutely correct in pointing out that their different reliability requirements betwwen the enterprse networks and the carriers networks. I am really astounded by Cisco's misrepresentationseither due to ignorance or misleading the buyers.

Cisco, Nortel and Lucent know its first hand that finacing swervice providers in exchange for buying equipment is a dangerous business both for the provider and the equipment vendor.

I would like to know the names of top20 providers who are buying Cisco,s ONS 15454.

cable_guy 12/4/2012 | 7:28:23 PM
re: Cisco Lights Up COMET "Mr. Scott Kriens is absolutely correct in pointing out that their different reliability requirements betwwen the enterprse networks and the carriers networks."

Are you guys kidding me? Go talk to any big enterprise with mission critical apps running over an optical infrastructure and ask them if they expect their networks to be any less reliable than "public" networks. THEY ALL HAVE TO BE BULLETPROOF! This is where the lines between enterprise and service provider disappear. Additionally, I would argue that enterprises are capable of building and managing networks that are MORE reliable than service provider networks due to their scale and level of control.
signmeup 12/4/2012 | 7:28:22 PM
re: Cisco Lights Up COMET Harvey, Harvey, Harvey.... When are you going to learn to not open your mouth so that stupid things don't come out?

Not to defend Cisco at all, and no I do NOT work for them, the line between LARGE enterprise networks and carriers has ALREADY disappeared!!! Let me give you 2 examples: Texas Instruments and Fidelity Investments. I know for a fact that the network that runs TI's FAB (you know, where they make chips) facilities is allowed only 1/2 day of downtime per year, and that's on Christmas day or Thanksgiving in order to clean the facilities. After 30 minutes of an outage at a FAB facility you have to scrap the ENTIRE production run costing MILLIONS of dollars.
Let's think about Fidelity Investments for a second... How much money is lost due to even a minute of downtime? Fidelity is willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to prevent this from happening. So you are gonna sit there and tell me that these enterprises doesn't have the same reliability requirements as a carrier???? Keep smoking that good stuff, cause you ain't thinking clearly.

Juniper has no interest in optical BECAUSE IT IS TOO LATE for them to jump on the bandwagon. Besides, who do you think will be hurt more when Procket delivers its products? Cisco or Juniper? Juniper must be shaking in their boots right about now.

And let's see, out of Cisco, Nortel, and Lucent, which one STILL has 19 BILLION dollars in cash ON HAND? Cisco's vendor financing structure is WAY different than Nortel's or Lucent's.

Finally, let's see, who's using the 15454... SBC, WorldCom, Williams, AT&T, Sprint, EPGN.... Just to name a few.

And finally NO I DO NOT WORK FOR CISCO NOR DO I HAVE ANY GREAT AFFINITY FOR THEM; however when I hear your crap being spouted with obviously no intelligence behind the words I feel I must respond.

Please, respond, I want to put on my wading boots again.
jsailor 12/4/2012 | 7:28:22 PM
re: Cisco Lights Up COMET
To put things in perspective, a recent study by contingency planning research (http://www.contingencyplanning... indicated that 1 hour of downtime costs the average brokerage firm over 6.5 Million dollars.
Credit card authorization was around 2.6 million.

-RobC
rjmcmahon 12/4/2012 | 7:28:13 PM
re: Cisco Lights Up COMET The reliability and availability arguements made for market convergence of carrier and enterprise do seem valid. (Though many still refer to their data infrastructure as their "notwork")

A problem which may keep these markets distinct is that of technology churn. Enterprises can afford to replace their technology every three years. Carriers can't, particularly if it requires retraining a large operational staff.
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