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digits 12/5/2012 | 3:51:12 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

Absolutely!! It's as low as last year!!

Mark Sebastyn 12/5/2012 | 3:51:12 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

While annual revenue is down big for 2009, note that on a quarterly basis they are running near the levels they were a year ago.

abashford 12/5/2012 | 3:51:08 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

You calling Ray a liar??


I think it is you who should get your facts straight.

waverunner 12/5/2012 | 3:51:08 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

"...without those costs, the addition of MEN should be positive to Ciena's earnings in fiscal 2010..."


Hmmm, it was a consitent money loser at NT but it will be a positive addition to Ciena?


Can you say...L.I.A.R?





abashford 12/5/2012 | 3:51:07 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

Ah yes, on re-read, it was a direct quote of Gary.


Still would like to see some facts from people who are labelling others liars.

digits 12/5/2012 | 3:51:07 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

I don't think it is my honor that is being challenged...

paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 3:51:06 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

abashford,


NT admitted in their releases that MEN was losing money.  The question is:  Why would a money loser from NT be a winner from Ciena.  There are basically 3 options:


1 (least likely) - Ciena gets such better pricing on things than Nortel that the product margins will go through the roof.


2 - There is positive pullthrough of other products of each others at each others account.


3 (most likely) - Massive layoffs cut Opex dramatically.


Of course, you can get some from column A....


seven


 


 

abashford 12/5/2012 | 3:51:06 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

Can you provide the link that shows this NT comment??


I am struggling to recall when Nortel provided that much detail on individual business units to the public (and Google isn't helping).

waverunner 12/5/2012 | 3:51:05 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

@abashford,


Facts? If such a thing ever really existed with NT financials! Anyway, it's not like you need to go through the national archives, NT has always broken revenue and OM by segment. The last published quarterly showed an overall OM of less than 5% for MEN hardly enough to cover recurring and non-recurring operational costs.


If Gary Smith is not a liar then he is self-delusional or overly optimistic qualities certainly not prone to transparency and thus my contention with his last quote. Trust me there is plenty examples of this behavior in the public domain.


I've always maintained that what Ciena acquired in the NT transaction is a large legacy footprint and some incumbency, but NT is not what it was and Ciena regardless is still a Tier 2 supplier. They don't have the talent to follow through on this. And don't let anyone feed you that bull that they have acquired talent, cause any one worth saving at MEN has long ago been saved by AlcaLu.


/w

paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 3:51:05 PM
re: Ciena on a Slow Rebound

 


The last time I saw it was when the reports around the bidding on MEN on this site were going around.  There was a quarterly report and NT talked about all the units.


seven


 

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