China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco

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jes 12/5/2012 | 4:05:25 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco I think Cisco has made it clear that its not altering a product specifically for China to make this happen. And Cisco is helping China to tackle internet crime, as it does in US also....
So its not new thing at all..... I feel this is NOT a valid point made by congress, at least in case of Cisco.

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jepovic 12/5/2012 | 4:05:24 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco The more interesting question is of course: What is Cisco and Google doing for the US government?

Am I the only one smelling a new Hoover era, based on telecommunications?

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DCITDave 12/5/2012 | 4:05:23 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco re: " I feel this is NOT a valid point made by congress, at least in case of Cisco."

Do you feel there was a particular reason they were picked to testify? Why not choose Alcatel or Lucent?

ph

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DCITDave 12/5/2012 | 4:05:22 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco re: "Am I the only one smelling a new Hoover era, based on telecommunications?"

Not sure what you're smelling. Are you implying that if Cisco did more government business it wouldn't be in the hot seat regarding censorship in China?

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tsreyb 12/5/2012 | 4:05:21 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco
> Am I the only one smelling a new
> Hoover era, based on telecommunications?

Shh! You never know who is monitoring this board (or your PC, your Internet connection, your web searches, etc.)

Have a nice day!

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DCITDave 12/5/2012 | 4:05:21 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco re: "Shh! You never know who is monitoring this board (or your PC, your Internet connection, your web searches, etc.)"

Well, Juniper for one...

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russ4br 12/5/2012 | 4:05:21 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco Are you implying that if Cisco did more government business it wouldn't be in the hot seat regarding censorship in China?

I think the requirement is more in the line of never making available crypto technology that the (US) goverment can't decode. Thus, if national security demands it, it'll be possible to snoop in your "secure VPN connection" ...

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Zoloft 12/5/2012 | 4:05:21 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco Apparently, huge capitalistic enterprises like Google and Cisco have no qualms about getting in bed with Chinese Dictators? This is a snake with two heads and it will most definitely bite, as Google has expereinced recently, with more to come no doubt.

When will these "useful idiots" ever learn?

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Lite Rock 12/5/2012 | 4:05:21 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco I think the significance of Cisco testifying is their success at marketing and selling value added engineering and support services. These services make available the best practices and most advanced use and application of their product. Cisco has taken the practice of selling expert services to new heights and China is the beneficiary. Cisco will do anything if you pay for it.

The old Telco companies would just throw their services at no charge as a value add and just build it into the equipment price. This put the burden of being the expert on the shoulders of the customer. In the majority of cases the customers would be much more knowledgeable than the equipment manufacturers in the application, use, and customization of their products.

This model is changing primarily because of Cisco.

The Government has in the past been able to identify and restrict certain equipment, technology and intellectual information in order to place limits on export and promulgation of certain technology and information.

The government is either not able to adapt fast enough to know what to limit or they are still on top of things and just being more liberal with what they allow.

This is a systemic government issue that would not have improved even if the inventor of the internet had gotten into office. :-)

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DCITDave 12/5/2012 | 4:05:20 AM

re: China Censorship Debate Circles Cisco re: "Apparently, huge capitalistic enterprises like Google and Cisco have no qualms about getting in bed with Chinese Dictators?"

I don't know. It appears that Cisco's approach is different than Google's. Google is crafting a custom product to avoid offending the government.
Which one's harder to defend?

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