Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group

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Gabriel Brown 12/5/2012 | 3:40:47 AM

re: Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group Well, didnGÇÖt the operators initiate 3GPP? Look how that ended up.

Why would 4G (what an awful term) turn out any different.

3GGÇÖs not so bad GÇô have you tried using it?

The market isnGÇÖt making anywhere near optimal use of the capacity 3G provides at the moment.

The cost/complexity of the next-gen of systems is daunting. And for what return?

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materialgirl 12/5/2012 | 3:40:47 AM

re: Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group How bad can things get for 3G? These guys are so anxious to move on, they are even bypassing standards bodies. The NG wish-list highlights what they dislike about 3G.

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yhza 12/5/2012 | 3:40:40 AM

re: Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group " The cost/complexity of the next-gen of systems is daunting."

I have to disagree. As someone who is currently deploying a M-WiMax network, I can see the cost savings very clearly. Both network units and handsets prices are looking very good, and vendors have just started.

And the network couldn't be any simpler. Yes, there are still some issues when it comes to voice and roaming, but I see no reason why it can't be solved within the next year or two.

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zwixard 12/5/2012 | 3:40:39 AM

re: Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group The cost/complexity part on 3G is very high. With WiMAX, one flat network can provide both voice and data services.

We need a wireless access network based on pure IP that can INTER-WORK with our Wi-Fi access points at home. I know some people who already have designs to solve WiMAX voice and roaming issues. The natural force of pursuing lowest cost will result in WiMAX taking over the wide area wireless access technology sector.

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Gabriel Brown 12/5/2012 | 3:40:38 AM

re: Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group IGÇÖm no 3G fanboy. Just acknowledging whatGÇÖs available and getting deployed on a large scale.

I think this group has something other than WiMax in mind GÇô otherwise thereGÇÖd be no point to it. WiMax is a step along that road.

Flat IP is obviously nice, ItGÇÖs well acknowledged that 3G is over-complex with RNCs and such.

YhzaGÇª would love hear more about where and why youGÇÖre deploying mobile WiMax ([email protected], in confidence).

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zwixard 12/5/2012 | 3:40:37 AM

re: Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group "
Flat IP is obviously nice, ItGÇÖs well acknowledged that 3G is over-complex with RNCs and such.
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Flat IP is non-mobile. 3G mobility is based on 2G and a significant portion of the complexity in the cellular network is for mobility.

Mobile WiMAX standard, IEEE 802.16e, defines how a device can be "hardware mobile" in the physical and MAC layers. This 4G group can very well define how to achieve "software mobile" for WiMAX.

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materialgirl 12/5/2012 | 3:40:36 AM

re: Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group Dear Gabriel:
3G is dead precicely because it is complex and costly, and for what? What "must have" app has shown up on those pricey networks that justifies this cost? Even Blackberry e-mail works on older networks.
The biggest payback I have heard of so far is how more voice channels can be put over the air.
3G may be "nice", but is it "worth it"? Seems not.

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Gabriel Brown 12/5/2012 | 3:40:34 AM

re: Carriers Form 4G Pressure Group Well thatGÇÖs kind of my point.

If the one app that people seem to want (Blackberry) works over 2G, and we have 3G as well, do we really need 4G?

The complexity referred to in next-gen systems is on the radio itself -- as you get closer to ShannonGÇÖs limit, the more complex and costly it is.

The app that really needs 4G better come with some new battery technology as well.

Also, whatever the technology arguments, the cost of these networks is in the sites, the civil works, equipment volumes, and so on. Oh, and the spectrum.

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