BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers

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jes 12/5/2012 | 3:17:12 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers
I guess BT's primary criteria was just the cost, not much the technology..
ALA is considered to be one of the best in the Access, and not selecting ALA is, just based on the cost advantage coming along with Huewai's products, though its techincally inferior. ALA is a proven Access leader among RBOCs and the Europe..

BT decision to leave Marconi is a major blow to Marcnois future...

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hyperunner 12/5/2012 | 3:17:11 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers All the suppliers in this deal have trimmed margins to the bone, and in some cases beyond. Like the GIGBE contract last year, in some ways it's better not to be a winner here! (Only kidding - it's better to have some revenue than none).

I'm puzzled over the split in Juniper supply. Siemens will be supplying the ERX boxes in the Metro portion of this network to do classic BRAS. But then Lucent is supplying the M,and T-series core routers. Is this another way for BT to screw margin out of its suppliers? In other words continue to play off Siemens against Lucent? Also, these are the exact boxes BT is using today in these parts of the network - so shouldn't it be called the 20CN?

I like the comment about BT needing Bell Labs to do the "network planning, integration, deployment and support". IMHO it'll need a few Nobel Laureates to work out how to nail up an end to end service over this mish mash of different boxes!

Marconi stock price is in real trouble - down to -ú2.05 just now. That's a 42% drop on the day. Ouch.

hR

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MP_UK 12/5/2012 | 3:17:11 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers
Have to disagree here. It's true that Alcatel have a very sucessfull DSLAM that works well, but it's totally out of date for a next gen network. It's an ATM DSLAM (although you can get a GE port) it doesn't do VoIP, IP routing, MPLS, etc.

The Huawei box is, as far as I can make out, the most advanced DSLAM available - in terms of protocols supported. FTEL's new DSLAM is up and running, and should be stable for 21CN timescales. Both these companies are very competative on price, and (particularly in the former case) give good support.

Marconi builds a nice DSLAM, with support for lots of protocols. I guess they couldn't / wouldn't sell it cheap enough, a shame for them.

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Scott Clavenna 12/5/2012 | 3:17:10 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers Out? Looks like they're in to me, at least for the TiMetra Router (7750).

Scott

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OSXman 12/5/2012 | 3:17:10 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers What does this mean?

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/05...

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MP_UK 12/5/2012 | 3:17:09 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers
Alcatel are out of the access (DSLAM / MSAN) space, but in, with the 7750, in the Metro space.

HTH

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ozip 12/5/2012 | 3:17:09 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers Perhaps this is the path of all things but in conjunction with trimming margins to the bone, I understand that these guys have demanded unprecedented disclosure of IPR. This leads down a slippery path for the equipment business who survive on margin exceeding 50% where guys like Dell survive on 12%. Although I would alway argue that many of the vendors waste their good fortune, for some of them it funds risk taking that results in innovation and new technology, and drives the venture business. Change this model and provide all of the IPR to every customer (sounds very ultaistic, just like the GPL) and you end up with only (I mean only) the products that the customer want now and innovation is left to the customers. In my expereience, telco demand the innovation that 50% brings but only want to pay 12%, you cannot have it both ways. If you want to see how this works out, take a look at Cablelabs and the data projects.

OZIP

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materialgirl 12/5/2012 | 3:17:08 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers Where is VoIP in all of this? No softswitch, media gateway or SBC was mentioned.

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Access Master 12/5/2012 | 3:17:08 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers Marconi have been digging this whole for themselves for years, their arrogance is well renowned in BT circles.

As for Huawei, the rumour is this was definately not a cost measure. Huawei have reportedly been the best performing supplier in the whole tender process. Quite a feat considering they have only been here a couple of years; the most interesting rumor I have heard is that Huawei are considering a bid for Marconi as this would give them a ready built service organisation.

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Graham Beniston 12/5/2012 | 3:17:07 AM

re: BT Unveils 21CN Suppliers Ericsson claim that Media Gateways and SBCs are part of the Metro Node equipment, which they describe as "complex". They claim not to know any further details. BT have agreed to brief me on SBCs next week.

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