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spegru
spegru
12/4/2012 | 10:16:56 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?
DSL needing to be 50% higher (so about $75 per month)?!!

I'amazed is that's true - if it is, it's disasterous.

End user DSL prices in the UK are now of the order of -ú25 ($35.5 US)( http://www.theregister.co.uk/c... ) and those are mostly supplied via BT who wholesales them to other operators at -ú14.75 ($20.9 US) - and those are recent prices not techboom prices. ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/c... ).
So Verizon must have a serious cost-base problem

rgds

spegru
PhotonGolf
PhotonGolf
12/4/2012 | 10:16:55 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?

Wow ... I can't imagine living without it!

Are you guys serious? Or just blowing off steam (about going back to dial up).

My household would REVOLT! My wife complains if her wireless connection lags! Our whole family is so dependent on 'always on .. 500k or more', that I would be pissed, but I'd pay it.

I have a home office ... occassionally use a VPN for sensitive stuff .. but would be 75% less productive without dsl. I'm not close to the central office, so I'm not metered, so i get about twice the performance of when I was next door (384 vs ~800 now). I'd even pay to bump it up some.

I don't get it .. with this group, people would go back to dial up? Do you know how long it takes to display these pages in dial up? It would take twice as long just to read RJ's messages!

Maybe I'm an anomoly ... or ... maybe the future in a nuclear family (the rabbit doesn't use the net - yet). But I'm telling you ... three teenagers, a net productive volunteer wife, and a home office - bring on the bandwidth, even at $100.

P
busted
busted
12/4/2012 | 10:16:55 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?
I pay $35 for 500k charter cable modem (could be $30 if I chose to bundle w/digital cable). I am more than happy at this price/BW.
voyeur
voyeur
12/4/2012 | 10:16:54 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?
PhotonGolf,

Unfortunately, you may be part of the problem. You are a "super-user" who is dependent on your broadband and is willing to pay almost any price. If the RBOC's think there are enough super-user's that are willing to pay higher prices, why should they offer lower prices to the masses?

If the RBOC's could develop a better tiered system of service, you would probably see a quicker uptake. As it is, the service is not universally available, and where it is, it's of questionable quality.

The real question is what price point would you get in, and at what service? Most are already paying $15 to $20 for 56k, which for some is actually 28k. Personally, I would be willing to pay an extra $20-30 for 200k to 500k.
PhotonGolf
PhotonGolf
12/4/2012 | 10:16:53 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?

Voyeur -

You're right about my status. But this is common in silicon valley. Lots of telecommuting going on which can only work with broadband. 1M files are the norm. THanks msft!

I did an informal survey last summer after reading about the Palo Alto ftth stuff (70 homes got fiber ... $60 for 10M ... $90 or something for 100M!). I asked how much people would pay. Most said no much more than dsl, but a few said 2x for 10-100M. I understand that some of those guys don't realize the limits on the net, and might not see all of it.

Reality is that 2m are jumping on the net each month in the US (reference Drew Lanza somewhere a while ago). As they gain sophistication, their bw needs increase. If you have kids, and they get exposed to "always on ... dsl kind of performance", believe me, they'll consume. Yes .. its a little build it and they will come, but that's the way it is.

My informal survey (or people with high net worth) was that people who are net guys would pay a lot. Those who aren't wouldn't. But I really believe that's a generational thing. All of the kids these days are computer fluent. Ever see a typical teen session? 7 IM windows open, 7 different conversations, another email being written, while downloading music from Kaza and doing the bio quiz at the same time. Its hilarious! (I didn't add text messaging on the cell phone - that too!).

Anyway, I agree that I might be a questionable datapoint today ... but tomorrow I'm more and more the norm.

P
strands555
strands555
12/4/2012 | 10:16:51 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?
responding to knave in post 15,
"I think its a matter of principle first, since Verizon and the other two monopolies are well positioned to get almost whatever they want from the captive, telecommuters..."
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True enough, but it is important to take note of monopoly abuse of power over consumers, given that the RBOCs are seeking "regulatory relief."
It is in the FCC's mission statement that they are supposed to exist to promote competition and protect consumers.

"Raising prices when your costs are going down is a classic sign of monopoly power."
( http://www.isp-planet.com/tech... )
knave
knave
12/4/2012 | 10:16:51 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?

P,

I think its a matter of principle first, since Verizon and the other two monopolies are well positioned to get almost whatever they want from the captive, telecommuters who really don't give a flying fish what the costs are as long HQ pays the expenses. I pay the monopoly 40.00 a month but as an unemployed telco/ datacomm person, I could easily pull the plug on DSL and quite honestly, live without internet most of the time, especially since the job search sites are filled with bogus positions anyway.....
PhotonGolf
PhotonGolf
12/4/2012 | 10:16:49 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?

Knave -

I understand your situation, and personally, hope you land on your feet in the short term.

But I want to ask you ... could you really go "without the net"? While we've all grown to like the convenience, I wonder what would happen. I look at my wife ... who was only moderatley computer literate a while back, and now its part of her everyday life. Without email, how does one communicate?

Going from $23 dial ups to $40 always on ... while it hurts cash wise, the convenience of always on without killing a line is huge. Especially if you don't have a second line.

My logic says everyone will get on the net. As they grow in sophistication (and become increasingly reliant) they'll opt for always on. Then they'll find other uses (like weather each am or LR or my.yahoo) and get frustrated with the performance and this will be enough for dsl.

In the coming years, more applications .. larger files ... more complex web pages ... more kazaa .. will make dsl the 56k dial up of 2004. People will get hooked (like me) and want more. And will pay for more.

Can you really go without?

- P
willywilson
willywilson
12/4/2012 | 10:16:44 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?
In the coming years, more applications .. larger files ... more complex web pages ... more kazaa .. will make dsl the 56k dial up of 2004. People will get hooked (like me) and want more. And will pay for more.

Can you really go without?

================

I'm finding myself LESS hooked on speed. For me, the Internet is a glorified BBS. NetZero is $10 a month. AT&T Broadband is $45. I am increasingly wondering whether the difference is worth $450 a year.
willywilson
willywilson
12/4/2012 | 10:16:44 PM
re: Broadband: Will It Bust a Move?
1. I have a home office ... occassionally use a VPN for sensitive stuff .. but would be 75% less productive without dsl.

2. I don't get it .. with this group, people would go back to dial up? Do you know how long it takes to display these pages in dial up? It would take twice as long just to read RJ's messages!

=================

1. Home office is an extension of the business. That's a different market than residential.

2. It's right on the brink for me anyway. Any price increase and I'm gone.
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