re: Avici Joins Huawei for China Push Avici is going to find out what some of those who have dealt with Huawei have found out. They don't want partners and the only thing they want from north america is technology transfer.
Given that Avici is on the road to running out of money, one could speculate that Huawei might be lining up Avici to provide a cheap replacement for Huawei's potentially fatally-compromised routing software.
The problem for Huawei is that they have picked a loser. They are stuck with an old product thats been rejected in lots of places.
This would also suggest that Huawei's software story isn't as strong as many have been claiming in public.
This is a really a nightmare partnership though. It combines a ruthless company with terrible judgement and bad management....with a company which has a disfunctional culture which has raised pissing people off (customers, partners, etc) to an art.
re: Avici Joins Huawei for China PushSkeptic, you have been posting the same tired messages on Avici for years. Must be affiliated with one of those core startups that are either belly up or on their last legs.
Avici still has a lot to prove with this deal, but it is hard to think of a better partner over there. Huawei wouldn't have done this if they didn't think it would help them vs. Cisco...
re: Avici Joins Huawei for China PushActually I am quite suprised that avici would agree to such a partnership. I think it is more telling of the dire situation at avici than anything else. As far as Huawei, they gain potential access into AT&T.
I can't imagine anyone in their right mind wanting to partner with a piranha like Huawei......
re: Avici Joins Huawei for China PushSkeptic, you have been posting the same tired messages on Avici for years. Must be affiliated with one of those core startups that are either belly up or on their last legs. --------------
Look, I'm giving you the honest external impression many people have of Avici. If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the problems (like they have), go ahead.
If you think that partnering with Huawei will end in a positive result for Avici, you are in for a rude surprise. The words "Huawei" and "good partner" don't belong in the same sentence.
I would have thought that most people would have figured that out by now, but it seems that more people need to learn things the hard way.
re: Avici Joins Huawei for China PushWell, the technology is old and they have no "real" customers other than AT&T. It amazes me that they have not been able to leverage their limited success at AT&T anywhere else.
I guess if a house has been on the market for a long time without selling, prospective buyers do not want to take a chance.
re: Avici Joins Huawei for China PushIf all service providers are moving to IP, and if legacy switch vendors like Nortel lack IP expertise, why would they not want to buy Avici? The company is cheap and their technology probably beats the old ATM stuff from Nortel.
re: Avici Joins Huawei for China PushIf all service providers are moving to IP, and if legacy switch vendors like Nortel lack IP expertise, why would they not want to buy Avici? The company is cheap and their technology probably beats the old ATM stuff from Nortel. ------------- Nortel tried to work with them years ago and it didn't work out. Yes, the company is cheap but its architecture is aging and not competitive anymore. Nortel might also be more interested if Avici had another high-profile customer.
But as it is, Avici is standing still. Their only value is the ATT contract which is a "mature" contract.
re: Avici Joins Huawei for China PushNortel were an early investor in Avici and had the opportunity to purchase them in 1999. They decided against at the time as they wanted to concentrate on building the ill fated OPC (Optera Packet Core).
It is now highly unlikely that anyone would be interested in purchasing an 8 year old architecture, however as someone has already mentioned they may be interested in there code base.
Avici is going to find out what some of those who
have dealt with Huawei have found out. They
don't want partners and the only thing they
want from north america is technology transfer.
Given that Avici is on the road to running out
of money, one could speculate that Huawei might
be lining up Avici to provide a cheap replacement
for Huawei's potentially fatally-compromised
routing software.
The problem for Huawei is that they have picked
a loser. They are stuck with an old product
thats been rejected in lots of places.
This would also suggest that Huawei's software
story isn't as strong as many have been claiming
in public.
This is a really a nightmare partnership though.
It combines a ruthless company with terrible
judgement and bad management....with a company
which has a disfunctional culture which has
raised pissing people off (customers, partners,
etc) to an art.