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uguess 12/5/2012 | 5:32:18 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

@yarn


Well, that is port density not capacity, so "5X 100GE port density compcared to CRS-3". &nbsp;Like others mentioned, Huawei NE5K already has 32 100GE per rack today. &nbsp;


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The leading power number in the industry is less than 3W/Gigbit. &nbsp;So the XRS 400G line-card power consumption number is about 3 * (1-66%) * 400 = 400W. &nbsp;That is indeed impressive. &nbsp;Can someone confirm it?


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Regarding capabilities, the video is kind of vague on what capabilities XRS can bring to the core. &nbsp;IP, Ethernet, and MPLS are not new additions to the core networks anymore. &nbsp;Are providers really demanding any complex capabilities in the core today? &nbsp;I'd like to hear more details about this.


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macster 12/5/2012 | 5:32:18 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

It is obviously great to have more capacity with more capabilities, however I am not convinced that changing a simple core to a complex edge is a good idea.


Well said.


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P.S. There is some double-counting. See:


"&nbsp;has 16 Tbit/s of capacity (80 100Gbit/s Ethernet ports)"

uguess 12/5/2012 | 5:32:16 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

@desi,


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Good point. &nbsp;I am not questioning ALU's chipset development capability - as I said they are leading at the edge. &nbsp;In the video, they claim to be able to always keep the same capabilities as moving up to high capacity. &nbsp;I was just questioning that - as I see it is not just a single chip thing. &nbsp;

desiEngineer 12/5/2012 | 5:32:16 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

Hi uguess,


Let's ask the same about the Trio or Ezchip or whoever else might have a 100Gbps NP., paraphrasing your words:


What I am not sure about is whether the same chipset architecture can go beyond 100G to 400G without significant changes. &nbsp;Also system capabilities depend on the total package, not just forwarding chip, e.g., SDRAM, TCAM, etc. , so it seems not practical to always claim edge-like capabilites as capacity grows exponentially.


ALU appears to have done it - i.e., gone from their 100G chip to 400G, while building a "total" package of SDRAM, TCAM, etc. around it.&nbsp; Instead of asking if they can make the next jump to 1Tbps, let's ask the industry to catch up.


Anyway, impressive work by ALU.&nbsp; Other than Verizon, did any other customers endorse or at least make positive grunts?



-desi


desiEngineer 12/5/2012 | 5:32:16 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

Thanks to some creative marketing by cisco, we're all confused.&nbsp; I believe everyone is standardizing on this approach: a port number is based on full-duplex numbers, but capacity is doubled because it's based on half-duplex numbers.&nbsp; That makes both marketing and engineering happy, and all of us feeling a little suspicious :-)


There's also an unwritten rule about how to state switch fabric capacity - I think it should be in full-duplex numbers because you really shouldn't be doing anything other than sending as much as you received on the fabric.&nbsp; You have to look for words like "capable of" to figure that the switch fabric has more capacity than the line cards.&nbsp; E.g., my MultiTron 948-Z is capable of 6.4 Tbps, but its current capacity is 100 Gbps with five 10Gbps line cards.


-desi

macster 12/5/2012 | 5:32:15 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

Thanks Desi. I think it's a typo. Should be 160*100G or 2*80*100G. Lol, reading through the first time, I thought a single subrack/chassis could do 16T :) That would have been impressive! Kudos to ALU.


How are you? Trust you are keeping well. Anyway, it's the weekend and way past my bedtime. Have a good evening.


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yarn 12/5/2012 | 5:32:15 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

@uguess. Port density really translates into capacity per rack, which I think is a meaningful benchmark. Total system capacity of multi-chassis configurations are interesting but they're less practical. E.g. 320 Tb/s looks cool on paper, but 72 racks is not going to happen in reality.


The guys to beat in the core are Cisco and Juniper. Huawei may have a better port density (and likely price) than CRS-3 and T-4000, but it lacks the features and the credibility to displace either of them, while the PTX is on par. ALU has a leg up here given their existing presence and performance in the IP edge market.


The core is a slightly different animal though, so it's going to be interesting to see how things will play out.

desiEngineer 12/5/2012 | 5:32:13 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

Hi yarn,


I like this line of yours: "The guys to beat in the core are Cisco and Juniper."&nbsp; For one and only one reason - every carrier uses either Cisco or Juniper.&nbsp; Who cares about what anyone else can do?



-desi


uguess 12/5/2012 | 5:32:13 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

@yarn:


Sure, it is great to be able to beat the big guys. &nbsp;Huawei only has about 10% core market share globally anyway.

paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 5:32:13 PM
re: Alcatel-Lucent, Juniper Get Core-Router Upgrades

desi -&nbsp;


This is a real question...I do not know the answer. &nbsp;Do the domestic Chinese carriers use Cisco and Juniper exclusively in their core?


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