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Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova'

The retirement of Mario Mazzola and the rest of the former Andiamo Systems crew didn't last long, as they're reportedly working on another startup just months after their departure from Cisco Systems Inc. (Nasdaq: CSCO).

Multiple sources tell Light Reading that Mazzola, Luca Cafiero, Prem Jain, and Soni Jiandani have launched a supersecret San Jose company that they're funding themselves. Reportedly called Nuova Impresa -- Italian for "new enterprise" -- the company has hired about a dozen people and reportedly has refused all offers of VC money, much to the chagrin of many a Silicon Valley financier.

The startup is presumed to be working on a virtualization project in the storage networking space -- at the intersection of storage, networking, and computing.

The idea is that they're trying to "aggregate compute IO from the server and centralize it into a single or small number of network elements, connected back to the servers via a high-speed low-latency ‘closed’ network," one source says. This frees up processor memory and CPU cycles so that larger clusters of servers are possible.

And they're attracting some top-name talent. Another source, requesting anonymity, says Tom Lyon, founder of Ipsilon Networks, has joined. An early contender in IP switching, Ipsilon was acquired by Nokia in 1997. Another recruit, the source says, is J.R. Rivers, the Cisco Distinguished Engineer who led the team developing the Catalyst 3750 enterprise switch.

Light Reading's attempt to reach Mazzola went unanswered. Contacting Nuova Impresa directly is difficult, as the company isn't exactly giving out its number and address -- and one source notes it's not housed in a Cisco-owned building the way Andiamo was. They're getting better at this "stealth" thing, apparently.

Andiamo was funded by Cisco with the intention of being acquired eventually, one of four Cisco spin-ins in the works circa 2001. The four Nuova founders left Cisco in tandem last year, purportedly to retirement. Mazzola had been Cisco's chief development officer, a role that was handed to Charles Giancarlo. The other three were senior vice presidents. (See Cisco’s Secret SAN Strategies Revealed, Cisco Buys Andiamo Finally, and Cisco Names Data Chief.)

Most sources believe Nuova Impresa began life as another Cisco spin-in, but one source says that plan has been scuttled. A newer rumor has the Nuova crowd camped on the Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) doorstep instead. It's unknown whether either company invested in Nuova.

Cisco did not immediately return calls seeking comment on Friday afternoon.

— Craig Matsumoto, Senior Editor, Light Reading

new_light 12/5/2012 | 4:06:55 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Now I know they say ignorance is bliss.
OpticOm 12/5/2012 | 4:06:55 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Yeah.
Work like a dog and then see your job going to India, after they learned anything they need to know from you.
Sounds like a typical indian sweat shop...
brahmos 12/5/2012 | 4:06:57 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' I found out this recent article on beecem
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2006...

I do know of dr.paulraj he is a legend in the navy and father of a family of advanced sonars thats used on all indian ships & subs. his field of expertise is antennas iirc. if they have a few other people of that caliber atleast technically should be ok.
he is also principal behind some other cos like spectrum engaged in defence embedded work.
http://www.spectruminfotech.co...
brahmos 12/5/2012 | 4:06:57 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' sorry, I dont have any spies in wireless cos.
startup_shutup 12/5/2012 | 4:06:58 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' >> they took a paycut when they joined and 80 hr work weeks for 2+ years

See one of the BIG assumptions in startups (JUNKUPs) operation is SUCKER ENGINEERS. In JUNKUPS working smart does not count, you need to necessarily put 80+ hours per week.
got_light 12/5/2012 | 4:06:59 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Dude,

do you of anyone working with this Wimax start-up called Beceem Coomunications? I have an offer from them... just checking on the thier office politics and stuff like that...

Got Light?
brahmos 12/5/2012 | 4:07:00 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' or SVP/director with the right connections.
sigint 12/5/2012 | 4:07:01 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' ttsi:
work 20 hours a week and get double pay. Now that is a real smart engineer.
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That sounds more like a golf playing manager!
ttsi 12/5/2012 | 4:07:03 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' "they took a paycut when they joined and 80 hr work weeks for 2+ years "

Most companies brag about they have a group of smart engineers. Why would any smart engineer take pay cut and work for 80 hours a week? Why would any smart engineer even need to work 80 hours a week if he is really so smart?

work 20 hours a week and get double pay. Now that is a real smart engineer.
cloudyskyhere 12/5/2012 | 4:07:05 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Anyone knows how to inquire job there? I'm a hw engineer, very interested to work there.

-Cloudysky
nazzax 12/5/2012 | 4:07:08 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Yes, its intensive, it works like Infiband(Topspin Server virutalization Services), if you were in the storage sector you'd know that. Secondly, I am sorry your an idiot that see's things like Andimo being a scam apparently you know nothing about the storage sector, otherwise you'd be more concerned with Brocade's lack of book keeping and the ability to keep it's CEO and board of directors in line with regards to stock options. Much like the Enron of storage, I'd find it hard how you managed to ever even engage any thought into what you posted. But hey, thats my two cents. You don't see McData having any issues being competive, or book keeping problems. Startup, should stick to what he knows, Storage isn't apparently a subject much less the storage market he seems to understand very much about.

When you can have a intelligent conversation about FCP Fibre channel Protocol, and Switched Fabric networking let me know. I'd be happy to listen to what you have to say, until then shhh. I gotta big bag of SHHH right here.

Keep trying perhaps your bad taste because you feel scammed is results of your own poor investments. Personally I can tell you that the only way I would lose money is if I sell stock in something otherwise when you hold onto it its called "investment" and unless your still holding on to brocade and enron. Then maybe you should watch more of Kramer's mad money. Not that he has it entirely correct yet either.
nazzax 12/5/2012 | 4:07:08 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Let me see if I can clarify a lot of this for you people.

Storage virtualization is designed so that all storage can be decentralized over a large area via DWDM/CWDM. It works like any cluster the data can be moved from one place to another. Netapp aquired a company that does something of the same thing called Spinnaker. It basically is a fully load balanced and distributed.
materialgirl 12/5/2012 | 4:07:12 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Dear sigint:
I re-read that too. Here is my guess: I/O (session management et all for those chatty protocols, encryption, bla bla bla) is CPU intensive. Sort of like the idea behind hardware SSL accelleration.

So, make a super dooper hardware assisted box that offloads those CPU cycles, and presents an nice, even, digestable interface to the server via a high-speed dedicated bus. Then, the CPU does its job of page serving or database searchhing, and this box does all the talking.
green 12/5/2012 | 4:07:12 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' ---------------
The point is well taken. However, considering the prevailing downturn, was two years salary too bad?
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hey I will take any money that I can get. but it is upto the individual to decide if the payoff was worth the trouble.

also andiamo was a financial success for its investors though not for cisco). if in the best case scenario the payoff is small how much can one hope to make if it is not as successful ?
Pete Baldwin 12/5/2012 | 4:07:13 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' brahmos says:
imo its well beyond google's ability to be selling networking / storage products. that wont stop the google myth machine though.

Agreed.
But might Google be interested in capturing the Nuovo storage-whatever stuff for itself? Google builds its own servers, and we've heard they're building their own Ethernet switches ...

Here's the counterargument: Those two cases involve commodity equipment. I would presume Nuovo is working on a high-end product.
brahmos 12/5/2012 | 4:07:15 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' I mean even in the application sw space let them develop a blockbuster new product like ms-word or excel to get street cred. I will become a goog "believer" when I see that.
brahmos 12/5/2012 | 4:07:15 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' imo its well beyond google's ability to be selling networking / storage products. that wont stop the google myth machine though.

what have they done so far other than grab the low hanging fruit that a clumsy MSFT cant seem to catch - a better search engine, dnload manager, goog earth, gmail, picasa...nice stuff but nowhere near a carrier class product in technology input and complexity.
startup_shutup 12/5/2012 | 4:07:15 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' >> However, considering the prevailing downturn, was two years salary too bad?

80+ week for two years and then you get just two years salary, are you figging jokin?

What happens to health?
What happens to reduced life expectancy?
What happens to brokeb family & soul?
sigint 12/5/2012 | 4:07:17 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' greed said:
the rank and file engineer probably made a year or two years worth of salary. considering they took a paycut when they joined and 80 hr work weeks for 2+ years they don't feel it was worth the trouble.
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The point is well taken. However, considering the prevailing downturn, was two years salary too bad?
green 12/5/2012 | 4:07:19 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' I heard from atleast two ex-andiamo folks who are not too excited about wanting to work again for the andiamo team. when andiamo was bought only the top 16 or so people struck it really rich. the rank and file engineer probably made a year or two years worth of salary. considering they took a paycut when they joined and 80 hr work weeks for 2+ years they don't feel it was worth the trouble. better negotiate properly before jumping to Nuova if anyone is offered a job.

sigint 12/5/2012 | 4:07:19 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' From the article:
The idea is that they're trying to "aggregate compute IO from the server and centralize it into a single or small number of network elements, connected back to the servers via a high-speed low-latency GÇ˙closedGÇÖ network," one source says. This frees up processor memory and CPU cycles so that larger clusters of servers are possible.
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Ok, let me admit I'm confused by the above. Part of the confusion arises from my lack of storage expertise.

Can someone acquainted with this space hazard a guess?

Thanks
rambo260 12/5/2012 | 4:07:19 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Anybody know any more about the article mentioning that Mario and the group are being hosted at Google?
startup_shutup 12/5/2012 | 4:07:20 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Andiamo was a spin-in SCAM ... why can not this be repeated for andiamo-II. Is the time now is different so that spin-in SCAM can not be perpetuated at will by management?
dbostan 12/5/2012 | 4:07:21 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Au contraire...
This is a very smart move, to avoid dilution and VCs meddle into the management of the company.
It sounds more and more interesting.
walter_100 12/5/2012 | 4:07:22 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' "I find it very interesting that people with means choose not to invite "smart money" into the stock pool.

Very interesting indeed."

Like that is a surprise? A Series A without a product means you have given 50% of the company away.

Stevery 12/5/2012 | 4:07:22 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova'
I find it very interesting that people with means choose not to invite "smart money" into the stock pool.

Very interesting indeed.
icenine 12/5/2012 | 4:07:22 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Google 'Server Virtualization', and you get http://www.cisco.com/en/US/pro... and SVBU.... Cisco checked that box with TopSpin.

This does not smell like a spin-in. This smells like a "I've got enough cash, I don't need a boss". And, "To hell with standards, let's deliver performance."
Pete Baldwin 12/5/2012 | 4:07:23 AM
re: Cisco/Andiamo Vets Try Something 'Nuova' Everybody wants to get bought by Google, I'd guess. Not sure the Andiamo clout would impress the Google folks necessarily.

If they really are doing "virtualization," then it makes sense Cisco wouldn't want them as a spin-in, right? Cisco's already working on that stuff...
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