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Ciena Seeks R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Ciena Corp. (Nasdaq: CIEN) has been running plays right out of Cisco Systems Inc.'s (Nasdaq: CSCO) playbook, but that isn't winning it points on Wall Street.

Like Cisco, Ciena has been buying startups, investing in startups, and trying to get into new areas, rather than hack away at its business while leaving large markets behind.

But Wall Street still casts a skeptical eye, as evident in UBS Investment Research's downgrade of Ciena's shares on Friday.

In his note, analyst Nikos Theodosopoulos points out that Ciena has a long and somewhat muddy road to profitability. "We do not expect the company to become profitable until FY06 at the earliest, even if we consider significant revenue upside from potential contract wins," he writes.

Ciena hasn't said when it will break even, but it has tried to show it's got the right strategy.

In fiscal 2001, nearly 80 percent of Ciena's revenues came from long-haul optical transport.

Since March 2001, the company has spent about $1.6 billion to acquire companies in the storage-over-Sonet, multiservice edge switching, Sonet transport, and metro DWDM markets (see Ciena Completes Akara Buy, Ciena, ONI to Merge for $900M, and Ciena to Acquire WaveSmith).

The result? For fiscal 2003, Ciena's revenues from core products only made up about 41 percent of its total sales. Meanwhile, its metro networking revenues made up 36 percent of sales.

The company's gross margins, however, have been an up-and-down story. Gross margins are a tough thing to predict in telecom equipment anyway. The sale of an initial chassis likely won't command the same margins as the cards and components that plug into the chassis later.

But in Ciena's case, some chunk of the company's anticipated revenues in 2004 will come from its margin-depressed long-haul business. Ciena has said it would take margins in the range of 40 percent to help it get to profitability. For the past three quarters, Ciena's margins have been in the high 20 percent to 30 percent range.

Ciena hasn't been shy about charging toward gear that delivers Ethernet and other data services. "The optical market itself... is basically flat," says Ciena spokesman Denny Bilter. "It's not growing."

Contrast that with Cisco, which intends to make the optical market a billion dollar business at some point (see Cisco's Billion Dollar Plays ).

Some have said Ciena's name is missing from some upcoming metro DWDM RFPs from SBC Communications Inc. (NYSE: SBC) and Verizon Communications Inc. (NYSE: VZ), suggesting the vendor is losing its edge in the optical business at the expense of the new markets it's chasing. Ciena won't discuss specific RFPs, but denies the rumor's premise. "Our foot is not off the accelerator in the metro DWDM space," Bilter says.

So where does this leave Ciena on Wall Street? Perhaps it is seen as one of those companies that will lose a few races, but finish – and perhaps place highly -- in the marathon.

Ciena shares have lost about 11 percent of their value in the past three months. And last week it announced improved revenues, but it still missed analysts' predictions Ciena Dampens Outlook Hopes).

"While we agree with Ciena’s strategy, we don’t necessarily see Ciena’s stock as a compelling investment," writes Sam Wilson, an analyst at JMP Securities, in a research note on Friday.

— Phil Harvey, Senior Editor, Light Reading

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Iipoed 12/4/2012 | 11:10:14 PM
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sevenbrooks 12/4/2012 | 11:10:15 PM
re: Ciena Seeks R-E-S-P-E-C-T
LU's reported profit came from pension funds. LR published an article on that a few days after the 3Q numbers for LU were announced.

So, this does not mean that LU is in a state of sustainable profitability.

seven
Steeler 12/4/2012 | 11:10:16 PM
re: Ciena Seeks R-E-S-P-E-C-T LU and NT have at least broken-even, CIEN would need to lay off over half of its existing headcount in order to turn a profit. LU and NT have been mismanaged, but their ties to the RBOCs, AT&T, and Sprint are so strong, fools like McGinn and Roth could not break them.

Also can't believe you're talking up being in the labs!!! You ever been to a telco lab? These facilities are filled with the nameplates of two-bit startups who at best get $1m a qtr contracts. Go to a CO, and it's all LU, NT, and ALA, hardly any CIEN.

You can try to spin it however you want, but when I talk to buy siders today, the issue is not whether to buy CIEN, but whether to short it.
lilgatsby 12/4/2012 | 11:10:17 PM
re: Ciena Seeks R-E-S-P-E-C-T Steeler, your comparisons are somewhat flawed.

NT and LU just each respectively turned a profit for the first time in over 3-years. Not exactly what you'd call good companies. NT and LU have trimmed their product lines to the bone, and don't be surprised when their non-profitable optical lines are flushed altogether. Take a look at any large incumbent and tell me that CIEN isn't in the network or labs. The list of these will be noticably short.

Name one company with greater enterprise strength than Cisco. Like I said, comparing Cisco to anyone is a losing proposition in any other area than optical. Cisco cleans up on router margins, plain and simple. The rest is window dressing.

lg
Steeler 12/4/2012 | 11:10:17 PM
re: Ciena Seeks R-E-S-P-E-C-T Sell side research notes are not an indication of investor sentiment. Fund managers are the ones actually making investments, and their view of CIEN is that it looks like the perfect short. In addition to the roughly $50m a year burn rate, the company does not have the enterprise strength of Cisco, nor the incumbent relationships of Lucent, Alcatel, or Nortel.
lilgatsby 12/4/2012 | 11:10:19 PM
re: Ciena Seeks R-E-S-P-E-C-T Comparing Cisco to anyone is a losing proposition, unless of course the topic is optical.

This board has discussed before the humor and marketing craft involved with a $1B goal for Cisco optical. The 15808 is MD, the 15540 is MD, Pirelli (not that it works) is its own company again, the 15327 and 152xx represent such a small revenue source they wouldn't even register. So that leaves the mighty 15454 to do $1B. Cisco can bolt on all the DWDM, 10G and added features that other boxes already have and this will still only ever be a very nice SONET ADM. Not a bad box for its time, but not the market's killer product anymore...see FY2000 to relive those days.

lg
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