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Defining Broadband

5:00 PM -- The Notice of Funds Availability (NOFA) for the broadband portion of the Recovery Act was released today. In that 121-page document, the Rural Utilities Service (RUS) and National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) -- the two agencies charged with doling out some $7.2 billion in broadband grants and loans -- have determined that basic broadband really doesn't have to be fast or very useful at all.

From the NOFA:

RUS and NTIA conclude that "broadband service" should be defined as the provision of two-way data transmission with advertised speeds of at least 768 kilobits per second (kbps) downstream and 200 kbps upstream to end users...

RUS and NTIA favor this broadband speed threshold because it leverages the FCC's 2280 expertise, utilizes an established standard, facilitates the use of many currently common 2281 broadband applications (e.g., web browsing, VOIP, and one-way video), allows for consideration of cost-effective solutions for difficult-to-serve areas, and is the most technology-neutral option (because it encompasses all major wired and wireless technologies).


It's amazing that they set the hurdle so low here. Most cable companies don't even sell Internet connections that slow.

The RUS and NTIA have opted to do what's easy to document and process, rather than what's good for consumers and what makes sense for the next decade. They seem to be making this Recovery Act nothing more than a process that prolongs the pain.

— Phil Harvey, Editor-in-Chief, Light Reading

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rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 4:01:27 PM
re: Defining Broadband

seven,


There are no facts that FiOS is profitable and it's much more likely it's a business that loses money.&nbsp; Pull it out separately and the business fails.&nbsp; And the technology used is obsolete at install.&nbsp; A c-grade student can figure this out.

rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 4:01:26 PM
re: Defining Broadband

Nobody posting on these boards has proof about FiOS's profitability one way or the other.&nbsp; I can do a few back of the envelope calculations and make a pretty good guess that it isn't.&nbsp; I also can look at history and other more recent projects to make some educated guesses. &nbsp; I also know that it's in almost everybody's interest on these boards to say that it is profitable (and to *believe* that it *must be.*)&nbsp; It was also in Madoff's interests to say he could earn 1% a month without a need to worry about losing the client's investment.

paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 4:01:26 PM
re: Defining Broadband

&nbsp;


So other than psychobabble do you have any proof, like Verizon's business case?


Or are you a Stand-up Philosopher? (Note the History of the World Part 1 reference)


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082517/quotes


The 3rd set of quotes down.


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seven


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olsen 12/5/2012 | 4:01:26 PM
re: Defining Broadband

Please ...

rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 4:01:26 PM
re: Defining Broadband

Olsen,


I'd suggest studying up on the psychology of belief.


"The relationship between belief and knowledge is subtle. Believers in a claim typically say that they know that claim. For instance, those who believe that the Sun is a god will often report that they know that the Sun is a god."


"A false belief is not considered to be knowledge, even if it is sincere. A sincere believer in the flat earth theory does not know that the Earth is flat. Similarly, a truth that nobody believes is not knowledge, because in order to be knowledge, there must be some person who knows it."

paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 4:01:25 PM
re: Defining Broadband

Public companies DO submit their results for external auditing every quarter. Did you not know that? You know you should read your own BS. Because you want to spend my money doing something....because you BELIEVE that is the right thing to do....you refuse to accept that the 2nd largest phone company in the nation is doing it without my money.


&nbsp;seven


PS - Just remember your government does everything badly and those in&nbsp; it are the worst form of scum.&nbsp; There is no good politician or bureaucrat.&nbsp; All they want is to spend your money.&nbsp;

rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 4:01:25 PM
re: Defining Broadband

Seven,


VZ stating something costs four cents a quarter is not proof of an ROI.&nbsp; Let them publish a DCF for their projects with external auditing where if they lie somebody goes to jail.&nbsp; Otherwise, it's just more Madoff-like crap.

rjmcmahon 12/5/2012 | 4:01:25 PM
re: Defining Broadband

The problem is that saying fiber is a future proof investment is propaganda.&nbsp; The issue is building a sustainable system.&nbsp; This post written over 7 years ago addressed the issue pretty well.&nbsp;

olsen 12/5/2012 | 4:01:25 PM
re: Defining Broadband

rjmcmahon,


It's a future proof investment. What's your problem with that?

paolo.franzoi 12/5/2012 | 4:01:25 PM
re: Defining Broadband FiOS investment (as has been stated by Verizon) costs them about 4 cents per quarter. Which in the grand scheme of things given that they are getting very good take rates shows that it is a good investment.

All you have to do is read the quarterly reports.

Given that you have stated nothing more that BS, I call BS until you do your back of the envelope math here.

seven
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