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Is This a Turning Point?

Ray Le Maistre

This could be a major turning point in the relationship between telecom network operators and the over-the-top (OTT) services community.

The CEO of France Télécom – Orange appears to have suggested during a TV interview that Google will be compensating the telco for the massive volumes of Google traffic running over its networks, according to this AFP report.

Now, I'd be tempted to wait until there is a formal announcement (during an investor call or shareholder meeting, for example) before believing there is any sort of legal precedent being set here, but this certainly signifies a shift in the net neutrality debate.

This is the culmination of an ongoing wrangle between multiple French carriers and Cogent Communications Group Inc., Google's ISP, that earlier this month led to a rather rash move by competitive operator Iliad. (See Online Liberty Tested in France.)

— Ray Le Maistre, International Managing Editor, Light Reading

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1/19/2013 | 12:46:29 PM
re: Is This a Turning Point?
from the Orange "end user contract" for individual ADSL subscribers:
"Conditions g+¬n+¬rales dGÇÖabonnement "
-Internet service availability guarantee >= 97%"sGÇÖengage a¦Ç assurer une disponibilite¦ü du Service supe¦ürieure ou e¦ügale a¦Ç 97 %"-Minimum download speed of 512Kbps"La capacite¦ü de de¦übit minimum descendant est de 512 Kilobits selon la norme IP"-between the Livebox and the DSLAM"La capacite¦ü de de¦übit minimum et le taux de disponibilite¦ü sont mesure¦üs et garantis sur la ligne de cuivre du Client entre le
modem et le 1er e¦üquipement du re¦üseau de France Te¦üle¦ücom, de¦ünomme¦ü DSLAM."-Internet data throughput is outside the control of Orange"Le temps de re¦üponse et les performances techniques pour consulter, interroger ou transfe¦ürer des informations
de¦üpend des diffe¦ürents serveurs composant le re¦üseau qui ne rele¦Çvent pas de la responsabilite¦ü de France Te¦üle¦ücom" -áno mention of the volume of data.
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1/19/2013 | 12:22:05 PM
re: Is This a Turning Point?
Thanks for the notice.

I also assumed, like NetWerker, that each end already pays to connect to the net hence OTT services have no fees to pay for data traffic. The content provider pays for connectivity at the server end while the user pays for his end.

The answer may end up being buried deep in the end user contract with the ISP.
My service in France advertises 8Mbps download speed but there is no specific mention of the volume of data on that link, per hour, per day or per month. Also, the 8Mbps is the link speed to the central office DSLAM and not to the internet in general.

I believe that it is still the case today that a DSLAM can not support maximum data throughput if ALL end points are downloading at the full rate. The DSLAM is designed for an average throughput and a bell distribution of active data downloads (DSLAM designers please correct me here).

Hence, by design, not all users are expected to be supported simultaneously at the maximum rate. So the 8Mbps is a contract that stops at the DSLAM.

I do not know about the contract terms for the content provider but I am sure they specify all sorts of traffic details since the connection is in the Gbps and there would be multiple of them with redundancy, traffic profiles, etc.

An ISP can claim now that there will be a cost associated with the usage of its internal network between the entry and exit points where such usage does not fall into the existing contract terms of either end. They would then add a cost for the network usage for the OTT content provider since any increase in the user rates will lead to loss of subscribers.

Any one with access to the actual contract for internet connectivity for a content provider please give us some info. thanks
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Net Worthy,
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1/18/2013 | 8:58:46 PM
re: Is This a Turning Point?
I do not understand why content providers should pay money to the ISPs of content consumers.-á Google pays their upstream network providers for connectivity and data usage, and each consumer pays their ISP for connectivity and usage. Everybody's getting paid. So why should Google owe money to ISPs just because the ISP's customer like to use their allotted traffic volume on Google?
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1/18/2013 | 7:22:09 PM
re: Is This a Turning Point?
So that is the plan!-á Because the Google, the Evil Empiore, is now effectively a carrier competing with other Telco's on their turf, it makes sense that it is talkign to other carriers as a peer.-á The Evil empire's goal is-áto kill net neutrality-ábecause-áit knows that its own network is-áalready being-áused to move massive amount of Facebook traffic.
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