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brooks7
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10/17/2017 | 2:47:14 PM
Re: The Lady Doth Protest Too Much, Me Thinks
Carol,

 

I have to say that yes, there are plenty of options.  Sonic has been doing UNE-L style DSL and was doing the frequency splitting thing for a long time.  That is no longer competitive for many people.  So, they resell U-verse...but that is not a great business.  They have also done a FTTH build.  Those builds are the core growth of the business, but are very limited.  They have a basic problem.  They have to get a huge market share to justify laying fiber.  The problem is that DOCSIS 3.1 is available in the vast majority of the Bay Area.  They are having to live on the fill-ins.  They can't win that way in the long term.

NOTE:  Remember there is no unbundling requirements for FTTH or FTTC.  

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f_goldstein
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10/17/2017 | 1:40:58 PM
Peering is not Interconnection
To begin with, the title of the article, and presumably the underlying discussion, create confusion by using the term "interconnection" rather than "peering". They're not the same thing. Interconnection is what Title II common carriers do, and the rules for interconnection are based on the Telecom Act and FCC rules. Peering is something done among information service providers, who are not  under Title II (though Wheeler tried to expand that definition). It has never been regulated. Hence my definition of what a small-i internet is:

A voluntary agreement among network operators to exchange traffic for their mutual benefit.

 That has always worked, but it also depended upon the Internet's not having a dominant incumbent who had no interest in interconnecting with peers at zero dollars. Hence it was a true market system. Peering smoothly evolves into "upstream" (paid) service as the second provider gets smaller. No arguing over whether or not you've got this or that certificate.

As the backbone consolidates (the death of Level 3 being rather catastrophic in this sense), the ability of the peering market to continue to operate is less certain. But since this is not properly Title II interconnection, it's the FTC who should be paying attention.

Sonic is a pretty large regional player, but they're not a backbone peer, so they should expect to pay a market (not monopoly) price for upstream service. Of course content providers have been gaming the regulatory system all along, so everybody joins in.
Carol Wilson
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10/17/2017 | 12:50:46 PM
Re: The Lady Doth Protest Too Much, Me Thinks
Don't Sonic customers have other options for service ? I thought they were competing with AT&T and Comcast and overbuilding, for the most part. Why wouldn't customers who find the pricing abusive just go elsewhere?
mendyk
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10/17/2017 | 11:54:26 AM
Re: The Lady Doth Protest Too Much, Me Thinks
A tax on the less-well-off to benefit the more-well-off? Sounds like a national economic policy.
unbearable
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10/17/2017 | 10:54:37 AM
The Lady Doth Protest Too Much, Me Thinks
Sonic has proven, over the years, that it has no qualms nor difficulty assessing tolls on its subscribers - non-optional modem rentals/"insurance" and forced-bundling of dialtone yielding an extra $10+ taxes, all the while Dane Jasper excuses himself claiming "... industry standard practices" (in other words, "everyone else is doing it.")

But that isn't the worst of it.

This year, Jasper imposed a $10 tax on all DSL customers ... to benefit the elites in San Francisco who are fortunate enough to be on Dane's double-secret Fiber expansion list.
brooks7
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10/17/2017 | 10:42:26 AM
Re: A matter of perspective
My biggest challenge is that the current set of Net Neutrality rules have been in place for just a couple of years.  And yet, for about 2 decades we did not have them and had no real problems.

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mendyk
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mendyk,
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10/17/2017 | 9:50:09 AM
Re: A matter of perspective
Right -- it's exactly this kind of "the sky is falling!" rhetoric that makes reasonable dialogue about issues harder to achieve. We all know that realtors -- I'm sorry, Realtors -- will use any and all means at their disposal to find buyers. And really, redlining internet access actually works to their advantage in some less than honorable ways, although none of them would ever admit it.
Carol Wilson
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10/16/2017 | 5:03:47 PM
Re: A matter of perspective
Actually, I found their arguments on this front rather...uncompelling. Fuller said real estate agents might stop using the Internet to sell houses if it was harder to make sure all customers had equal access to seeing what they are putting out there. I find it hard to believe that genie will ever go back in the bottle. 

 
mendyk
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10/16/2017 | 4:44:48 PM
A matter of perspective
"Fuller and Dane Jasper, CEO of Sonic, made the argument that people might use the Internet less if the environment is less open."

There's a bright side to everything.


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