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metroshark
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:30 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
Can't believe that RBOCs got together and decided to deploy an already obsolete technology. The rest of the world seems to be converging on 100Base-BX for FTTH/FTTB applications.
rjmcmahon
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:29 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
As much as I dislike and distrust the RBOCs, their validation of the fiber demand is good for our industry. Too bad most will have to wait until 2004 and beyond to see if they are just blowing more smoke up our collective asses.

In the meantime, the numbers are looking better for the independents who can do the job at a much cheaper cost and using much better technology. In other words, just say no to PON and to RBOC expense structures.
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:28 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
The best technology doesn't always win, and its wi-fi (despite its imperfections) not fiber to the home that can win on a cost/benefit basis the battle for consumer ultra-high speed net connectivity
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:26 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
The best technology doesn't always win, and its wi-fi (despite its imperfections) not fiber to the home that can win on a cost/benefit basis the battle for consumer ultra-high speed net connectivity.

Wi-fi isn't ultra-high speed. It's just another fraudband technology. It's mostly being used to create Wall Street hype and justify the jobs of too many lazy people. And it doesn't work very well when the microwave is popping corn or heating up a cup of coffee. Wi-fi could work for Windoze 3.1 users -- though those MSFT licensing fees will make the FCC auctions (for some real spectrum) look affordable.

Starting with something that supports at least 1 Gb/s, full duplex, per premise seems like the bare minimum for anybody serious about deploying a real public infrastructure.
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:24 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
Extending my argument


People want to have strucdtured and personalized connectivity with their friends and acquaintances. This requires intelligence at the end points and especially not high bandwidth connections.


And of course WiFi is ideal for this.
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:24 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber

Starting with something that supports at least 1 Gb/s, full duplex, per premise seems like the bare minimum for anybody serious about deploying a real public infrastructure.


What would the 1Gb/s be used for? It is hard to think of applicaions that would require such speed.

My own impression is that what is required is not high bandwidth but high connectivity. The killer applicaion of the Internet has turned out not to be commerce but community. People want to have strucdtured and personalized connectivity with their friends and acquaintances. This requires intelligence at the end points and especially not high bandwidth connections.
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:23 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
Now if you actually believe fiber offers a practical/wide-scale/cost effective solution at those speeds - then you have just made the case for the need for massive bandwidth in the wide pipes, ie Corvis, among others. Once typical homes get that kind of connectivity and speed, the need for bandwidth would be never ending

I tend to see (less speedy but still fast) Wi Fi as the near term 3 to 5 year most probable solution to the consumer "last mile" bottleneck. Now recently "fraudband" Wi Fi is being hyped but that is precisely due to its very success w/o much hype the last few yrs. Wi Fi has been a ground-up revolution not something manufactured by venture caps at cocktail parties.

Keeping in mind what Thomas J. Watson, chair of IBM, said in 1943: "I think there is a world market for about five computers." I will concede that at some point 1 Gb/s home service might be commonplace, again supporting the case for Dr Huber's all optical approache.














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12/4/2012 | 11:59:22 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
strucdtured and personalized connectivity with their friends and acquaintances. ....

And of course WiFi is ideal for this.


I think you'll find that that if you want ubiquity of connectivity it'll be GSM & 3G. Text and Picture messaging has already done this. GSM is growing in the US too.

WiFi? well it's ok in the office I suppose.

What that says for the fibre requirement I'm not sure... surely DSL and cable have that last mile sewn up??
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:22 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
I guess they are very serious to think about using one line to carry everything. Like, no cable needed, if fiber to home. Then, only RBOCs, no cable companies. Now, cable company are in local phone market.
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12/4/2012 | 11:59:21 PM
re: RBOCs Hungry for Fiber
... surely DSL and cable have that last mile sewn up??

Surely this is backwards thinking, the truest broadband connection to the home is FTTH. PON is the best technology available today that make economic sense for the RBOC to deploy to compete with the cable companies and provide service where the limitations of DSL prohibit its deployment.
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