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Juniper Sues LR Message Boarders

Juniper Networks Inc. (Nasdaq: JNPR) is taking a handful of Light Reading message board users to court, according to recent court filings.

The Sunnyvale, Calif., company filed a lawsuit in the California Superior Court of Santa Clara on December 14 claiming that it had been defamed and libeled by up to 10 persons unknown. These persons, referred to as "Does 1-10" in the court complaint (as in "John Doe," or anonymous), are being accused by Juniper of posting harmful statements about the company and its executives on Light Reading's message boards.

Only two anonymous message board users are identified in the complaint. One goes by the name "infranet_rulz" and the other by "exJuniper981." Juniper admits in the complaint that it doesn't yet know the names of any of the folks it's suing, but it will update its complaint with the courts as it gets details.

Whether or not Juniper can identify the users will come down to the courts, and whether there is enough information to go on. In certain cases, Internet companies have been asked by courts to release information about registered message board users.

According to Light Reading Inc.'s published Terms of Use: "When requested, Light Reading will cooperate fully with law enforcement agencies in any investigation of alleged illegal activity on the Internet."

Though public companies are often targets of rampant criticism and off-the-wall statements on Internet message boards, Juniper doesn't name any other message board provider in its suit. Indeed, the company appears to have homed in on Light Reading because of its notoriety in telecom circles.

"Light Reading is a popular source of information to individuals employed in the computer networking and security industry in which Juniper operates," the company says in its complaint.

One thing a lawsuit mentioning a media company won't do, experts say, is lessen the amount of attention such message board posts are likely to generate. "It seems sure to backfire if the intention was to silence their critics," says Jeff Ferrell, professor of criminal justice at TCU.

Ferrell also notes that, from outside a company, there's no easy way of knowing all the agendas involved in a decision to sue. Lawsuits of this type "will say as much about the company suing as it does about the message board users," he says.

On the other hand, Mike Lynn, a partner at Lynn Tillotson & Pinker says the threat the companies feel from message board posters is real. "As individuals involved in commercial speech become so powerful that they can move stocks and affect the value of companies, you'll see more of these lawsuits," he says.

Lynn, however, says proving that a company was hurt by message board posts is a tricky thing. His firm defended Visa in a case in which a plaintiff sought $670 million for Internet defamation in which an Internet firm claimed that posts on a Yahoo message board caused its stock to drop.

That company, Zixit, first sued "John Doe" and subpoenaed Yahoo for the user information, which it got. But even after the message poster was revealed, the jury in that case awarded nothing to the plaintiff.

So what messages have Juniper so upset? The complaint cites several messages, most of which allege that Juniper is bribing lawyers and spying on its employees.

The company's complaint cites an April 20 message that stated, "the man at the helm seems to be paying (off) attorneys all over the bay area to cover up the scandal which resulted in the terminations of many at the top including the VP of HR. 1) Board of director 2) CFO 3) GM 4) VP of engineering 5) VP of HR and more."

Another message cited in the complaint came a day later. According to the complaint, it said the "top management" at Juniper bribes attorneys, and that "the man at the top should join his buddy Bernie [Ebers (sic)]... "

Another message singled out in the complaint says: "This is a very unethical company."

Of course, Juniper critics can be found at other Internet message boards that aren't, as yet, mentioned in Juniper's complaint. "Arrogance coupled with timidity is a deadly combination in business. So, in short JNPR's problem is Kriens," said one Yahoo Inc. (Nasdaq: YHOO) message board post taking aim at Juniper's CEO Scott Kriens.

Juniper's complaint says the still nameless defendents must be stopped because these statements could lead to a "material decline" in Juniper's "profits and could cause permanent harm to Plaintiff's good reputation."

Executives at Light Reading had no comment on the lawsuit.

A Juniper spokeswoman says the company can't comment on pending litigation.

Juniper shares were trading up 0.08 (0.36%) to $22.12 in morning trading on Wednesday.

— Phil Harvey, News Editor, Light Reading

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Honestly
User Ranking
Tuesday December 27, 2005 12:50:36 PM
Its so appropriate that LR gives you bananas to indicate your stature as one of their top posters. If Michael Jackson needs a new chimp are you available.?

I would be willing to bet you your banana Juniper will be just fine.
mha101
User Ranking
Sunday December 25, 2005 1:37:52 PM

True, a LOOSER management will take such an action.

JNPR now REALLY SUCKS!!!
light-headed
User Ranking
Sunday December 25, 2005 2:25:34 AM
IMHO, that Juniper has gone completely off the path in terms of their leadership and direction. This train is heading for a major derailment.
SRILANKA
User Ranking
Saturday December 24, 2005 4:29:30 PM
Good morning Scotty.
I am flabergasted that you are willing to spend
your precious time and money to embark on this
witch hunt.People out there remember you as a
nice gentleman,staring out the window all day
picking his nose,never bothering anybody.
This silly thing will only get nasty fast as
soon as the San Jose mercury.Channel 8,The
Wall Street paper and Forbes will get informed.
You make 500k wages and trade 2 million shares
every year,with 16 million shares to go,that
ain't make you happy ma Man?You keep pushing this
thing and some bad dude out there is going to Rap
a bad song about you and JNPR.
Besides I am waiting for JNPR.stock to hit $40,
so I can peel of a whole slew of certificates of
my garage wall and trade them.Call this thing off
Scotty Baby and the world will love you again and
even name a star after you.Do'nt worry be happy.
Roll in that pile of greenbacks every day and
play with your AstonMartins and Ferari and call
it day.Good luck Chimp.
startup_shutup
User Ranking
Friday December 23, 2005 6:45:58 PM
anonymizer service like this:

http://www.proxywave.com/
laserbrain2
User Ranking
Friday December 23, 2005 3:32:23 PM
no ratings
The message board comments that Juniper is worried about remind me of hackoff.com.

If you haven't seen it yet, Tom Evslin (former ceo of ITXC) is serializing a blog/book. He's using message board posts on the fictional company as a comical narrative device, like a shakespearean fool.

Great stuff!
whyiswhy
User Ranking
Friday December 23, 2005 1:31:25 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with your post.

But: I feel the need to say that my statements related to "bribe" are a synical view of what in more polite language would be called a settlement wherein one of the parties pays the other to shut up and/or go away.

Tatemae: I would hope all professionals would understand that keeping the secrets of your former employer secret is what keeps you employable in the future.

Honne: We all know that one of the main reasons you get hired by the next guy is access to the professional knowledge you built up under the prior guy. That's not the same as priprietary information, but some employers think it is.

-Why
beowulf888
User Ranking
Friday December 23, 2005 12:55:51 PM
no ratings
Sis wrote:
"Oh, and I sometimes wonder whether LR does go and check the background of the different participants, but then again people would be uttelry stupid to spout out stuff and not have set up their LR accounts with a ficticious free email account."

Everyone except Tony Li and Bobby Max. Where is Booby, anyway? Did his constant rantings about the C company get him deported?

Anyway the J company could subpoena email provider for the IP addresses associated with user accounts and could trace it back to your cable modem. Given enough time money and lawyers, they could get the identity of anyone who didn't use an anonymizer service.

--Beo
Sisyphus
User Ranking
Friday December 23, 2005 12:17:42 PM
Message boards to me have opened a whole new form of communications. One comes across very insightful discussions on a variety of business and technology topics -I actually have learned stuff in these boards- and then again one encounters all the bizarre stuff.

It's the whole thing about these boards - people roleplay. Some enjoy to get a chance to have others take them seriously, some simply vent and rant, come simply want to shock and flame for effect. And everybody with an IQ over 75 can tell with some accuracy whether a certain thread deserves teir attention based on their predilections for online discourse, or move the heck on to another.

To try to exercise control over message boards makes little sense - try exercising control over a crowd in a soccer stadium or a dorm room when the electricity goes out.

The only way to avoid it is to simply not have them, and have moderated discussion forums with people's real identity.

Oh, and I sometimes wonder whether LR does go and check the background of the different participants, but then again people would be uttelry stupid to spout out stuff and not have set up their LR accounts with a ficticious free email account.
Honestly
User Ranking
Friday December 23, 2005 11:57:24 AM
Message boards have become a symbolic expression of the power of the internet, However some times messages go beyond polite, reasonable, sensable, logical. Expositing the posters in question in itself will tell a story of who. That may be Juniper's goal and exposure can have its consequence. A few other questiones arise. Should LR police its own message boards If content is really out of line? and what would be out of line. I am a true supporter of freedom of speech, but If speech is used to harm, or used with intent it may cross that freedom line. Not simple, and not simple for the posters in question. Who, will be fascinating.
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