Light Reading
Video

BBWF 2012: Vectoring's Potential

50%
50%
Newest First  |  Oldest First  |  Threaded View        ADD A COMMENT
michaelpeeters
50%
50%
michaelpeeters,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 5:19:45 PM
re: BBWF 2012: Vectoring's Potential


The question wether the vectoring innovation will delay FTTH investments appears to be relevant, indeed. But there is an implicit assumption at work here: namely that there is room and a workable investment plan for an FTTH roll-out in the first place.


If you challenge that assumption, I'd assert that vectoring, which gives people access to higher bandwidths and the associated innovation in services earlier, might even stimulate the development of such services. This would make the case of benefits to both the business, social and economical improvement that BB brings much stronger - and accelerate the next round of FTTH roll-out. 


And let's not forget that any vectoring = fiber-to-the-node roll-out contains in general less than 10% residual copper - it is indeed the first step to a fiber-rich diet.


P.S. And the Dutch, being a trading nation, have long since realized that importing good beer from Belgium is a very profitable business. No trade barriers in Europe! So that should not pose a problem either. 

paolo.franzoi
50%
50%
paolo.franzoi,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 5:19:44 PM
re: BBWF 2012: Vectoring's Potential


The US is very different here.


You would have to do significant construction to get value from vectoring in a huge portion of the network.  The exception would be the former BellSouth footprint with its FTTC bits.


Once you decide you are doing construction, the delta is am I doing just the F2 Plant or both F2 and F3, what do I get for that, and then how much time does Vectored DSL buy me.


Is it a wise investment to do fiber F2 construction, build a whole new bunch of cabinets, and then have to do FTTH in 5 years?  That is a hypothetical that needs to be answered.


seven


 

paolo.franzoi
50%
50%
paolo.franzoi,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 5:19:43 PM
re: BBWF 2012: Vectoring's Potential


Try this one...it has lots of good vectoring advantage info.


http://www.assia-inc.com/DSL-technology/DSL-knowledge-center/industry-articles/Vectoring-Compatibility-CISS-2012(Web).pdf


And I do not go to trade shows anymore, pretty much a waste of time (imho).


seven


 

michaelpeeters
50%
50%
michaelpeeters,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 5:19:43 PM
re: BBWF 2012: Vectoring's Potential


Wrt. to the loop length - take a look at our results at 2500 ft at http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/events/2012/annual-technology-symposium/presentations/broadband-access.html


Wrt. power, the industry has come a long way. I am not going to argue AT&T's case on how old their chipsets might or might not be, or how depreciated their LTs are. These are not specific to AT&T, anyway.


I do hope to see you at BBWF (whoever you are)!


M. 


P.S. BTW, with F1/F2 I meant end of F1 (FTTN) or end of F2 (FTTC), not the boundary.

paolo.franzoi
50%
50%
paolo.franzoi,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 5:19:43 PM
re: BBWF 2012: Vectoring's Potential


FTTN in AT&T (F1/F2) is 2500 foot loops...not a lot of vectoring value.  They are already calling out 25Mb/s but dedicate most of that to video.  To get 25Mb/s Data and 25 Mb/s Video AND not do new plant is a bigger problem.  They have 2 additional problems in AT&T.  First, they would need new linecards replacing those that are not fully depreciated (remember their VDSL chipsets are old).  Second, they have power issues in adding even more power to the cabinets (and cooling).


FTTC is shorter and better.  FTTC is at the F2/F3 point not F1/F2.  Also, the old Marconi kit is fully depreciated.  They wanted Erriccsion to replace it (which didn't happen).  So right now they can go to Tellabs and get an upgrade or do some GPON or something else.


seven


 


 

michaelpeeters
50%
50%
michaelpeeters,
User Rank: Light Beer
12/5/2012 | 5:19:43 PM
re: BBWF 2012: Vectoring's Potential


Note that much of AT&T's network is already VDSL2 FTTN (Fibre to the cabinet - F1 plant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_U-verse . Vectoring is something you add on top of VDSL2. Much like Belgacom in Belgium, who already had their FTTN plant before they decided to take a closer look at vectoring (http://www.belgacom.com/be-en/newsdetail/ND_20110927_alcatel_lucent.page).


Does it make sense to do construction of new active cabinets and F1/F2 fiber plant iso. FTTH? Probably not. Do it make sense to upgrade current cabinets if you have already the F1 (cabinet at SAI)/F2 (FTTC)? That would depend on the current capabilities of your VDSL2 plant, the location of your cabinets (F1/F2 and remaining distance to subs), competition and your view of (realistic) future bandwidth demand. 


The $xB question, indeed.

Educational Resources
sponsor supplied content
Educational Resources Archive
Flash Poll
From The Founder
Network architects aiming to upgrade their networks to support agile, open, virtualized services in the 21st century need to consider new criteria when choosing between technology suppliers.
Live Streaming Video
BTE 2015 Sponsor Keynote: HP
Dr. Prodip Sen, CTO, Network Functions Virtualization, HP
LRTV Custom TV
NetNumber Founder Discusses NFV/SDN Impact on SP Networks

6|26|15   |   4:15   |   (0) comments


NetNumber Founder Doug Ranalli examines why SPs need a new network infrastructure for service agility. While NFV and SDN are the tools, the old ways of thinking about signaling control are inhibitors. Doug provides his recommendations.
LRTV Custom TV
Orchestrating NFV vCPE Services Across Multivendor Networks

6|26|15   |   5:46   |   (0) comments


Nirav Modi provides an overview of vCPE, the fastest-growing NFV use case, showing how Cyan's Blue Planet orchestrates vCPE services across a multivendor infrastructure to rapidly deliver new managed services for business customers.
LRTV Custom TV
ZTE at LTE Summit Amsterdam 2015

6|26|15   |     |   (0) comments


As one of the leading global telecommunications providers, ZTE presented its cutting-edge technology at LTE World Summit 2015 in Amsterdam. On display at ZTE's booth were the latest R&D achievements in wireless, 5G development, HetNet, deep convergence of FDD and TDD, and RCS/IMD/iSDN/vCN.
LRTV Documentaries
OPNFV Director Opens Up on Women in Tech

6|25|15   |   3:25   |   (0) comments


Heather Kirksey, the director of the OPNFV, gets real about the gender disparity in open source and standards and discusses how we can change both the conversation and the gender dynamics.
LRTV Custom TV
Symantec's Service Provider Security Strategy

6|24|15   |   7:06   |   (0) comments


Didi Dayton explores Symantec's emerging enterprise security strategies for service providers. Highlights include 'killing the password,' self-defense, advanced analytics and adaptive response in a service provider architecture.
Between the CEOs
Debating Network Evolution With Cisco's Cedrik Neike

6|23|15   |   12:54   |   (2) comments


Cedrik Neike, SVP of Global Service Provider, Service Delivery, at Cisco, talks to Light Reading founder and CEO Steve Saunders about solving service provider customer problems in a virtualized, DevOps world, including multivendor support and the future of network procurement.
LRTV Documentaries
Vodafone: What's Good for Moms Is Good for Business

6|23|15   |   3:04   |   (3) comments


Megan Doberneck, the general counsel for Vodafone Americas, discusses her company's progressive maternity policy, explains why promoting women in tech is good business and offers some some good advice for any women in the industry.
LRTV Interviews
NFV: Ready for Prime Time

6|23|15   |   05:09   |   (1) comment


At BTE 2015, Vip mobile CTO Dejan Kastelic talks about how NFV is ready for the real world and how Telekom Austria is introducing centralized resources for its group operations.
LRTV Documentaries
Tykes Talk Tech

6|22|15   |   02:30   |   (9) comments


What does optical fiber look like? When will 5G arrive? What's the WiFi password at Ikea? Light Reading sat down with three 8-year-olds to answer some of the communications industry's most burning questions...
LRTV Huawei Video Resource Center
Huawei Partners With TDC for World's First Early DOCSIS 3.1 Field Test

6|22|15   |   3:06   |   (0) comments


In a move to enhance user experience, Denmark's TDC aims to become an early adopter of DOCSIS 3.1. In partnership with Huawei, TDC recently ran the world's first field tests on its coax network that reached speeds nearing 1 Gbit/s.
LRTV Huawei Video Resource Center
SDN, the Road to Open Innovation

6|22|15   |   3:18   |   (0) comments


Open source is changing the industry, and Huawei is committed to Open Innovation.
LRTV Documentaries
Cox Business Pursues $5B Market

6|19|15   |   5:18   |   (0) comments


In this LRTV interview, Cox Business SVP Steve Rowley discusses how his unit aims to capture more of the commercial market in its territories.
Upcoming Live Events
September 16-17, 2015, The Westin Galleria Dallas, Dallas, TX
September 29-30, 2015, The Westin Grand Müchen, Munich, Germany
October 6, 2015, The Westin Peachtree Plaza, Atlanta, GA
October 6, 2015, Westin Peachtree Plaza, Atlanta, GA
October 14-15, 2015, New Orleans Ernest N. Morial Convention Center, New Orleans, LA
All Upcoming Live Events
Infographics
Hot Topics
Staying Productive With My Office-in-a-Bag
Mitch Wagner, West Coast Bureau Chief, Light Reading, 6/25/2015
WiFi Calling Catches on Globally
Sarah Thomas, Editorial Operations Director, 6/23/2015
Who's Feeding Fiber to LinkNYC Hotspots?
Mari Silbey, Senior Editor, Cable/Video, 6/29/2015
Verizon Closes AOL, Hints at Summer Launch
Mari Silbey, Senior Editor, Cable/Video, 6/23/2015
First Net Neutrality Complaint Hits TWC
Mari Silbey, Senior Editor, Cable/Video, 6/23/2015
Like Us on Facebook
Twitter Feed
Webinar Archive
BETWEEN THE CEOs - Executive Interviews
Casa Systems has been going from strength to strength over the last couple of years. In 2013, it became the first vendor to ship an integrated CCAP device -- the ...
Cedrik Neike, SVP of Global Service Provider, Service Delivery, at Cisco, talks to Light Reading founder and CEO Steve Saunders about solving service provider customer problems in a virtualized, DevOps world, including multivendor support and the future of network procurement.
Cats with Phones